EVE General Discussion

i think one of the major issue for noobs is that you sink all the time into training that one thing to find out it's extremely dull after quite a short period of time. it's better for vets when you can switch it up easily. yes i could make more money running 5/10 in low but i just get bitter about crap drops after a while. so i do some industry or whatever. anything to keep ISK making not a horrible grind.

A large part of that is due to the horrible lessons being doled out in newbie chats across the game — the dreaded, borderline griefing “don't do X before you have Y” suggestion. There are very few things that you actually have to sink any significant amount of time into just to try them, but the problem is that for whatever reason many are unwilling to… well… just try. Instead, they wait until they've accumulated all the (not actually) prerequisite SP before dipping their toes, at which point it is too late.

Simply trying — actually trying — something shouldn't take more than a couple of hours training, but instead, you hear horror stories about people sinking weeks into a skill set before even opening up the appropriate UI window. That's not “trying” length; that's more “decided to invest heavily” skill time, and confusing one for the other is an all too common mistake.

At some point, the n00b needs to be made to understand that spending more training time will not significantly alter the experience. Shooting red triangles in a battleship is just as dull or exciting as it is shooting them in a frigate, you just need more expensive equipment; hunting down 8+/10s is just as dull or exciting as finding a 1/10, you just need better probes and a stronger tank; trying to make a profit building T2 or T3 ships is just as dull or exciting as building T1 ammo, you just need a bigger spreadsheet. And combat is if anything guaranteed to become more dull the bigger the ship you get.

Part of it probably has to do with assumptions based on how many other games are set up, where “the real game” doesn't open up until you've hit max level — mix that preconception with the still very common bad advice, and you get a lot of newbies suspending their discovery of what does and doesn't tickle their fancy to the point where it all becomes a slog no matter what.

BS

Motivation is a modifier of ideas, not the root of it.

You want babies to live and be cured of child diseases, I want babies to live and be cured of childhood diseases.

No one would argue against that right?

What if my motivation was I owned a toy company, and I wanted as many babies to live so parents had to buy my products which would make me money?!

Not so noble anymore right?

But the idea isn't effected by the motivation, both of us want the right thing, even if one of those modifiers isn't altruistic.

Again, don't let the facts stand in the way of your crusade.

IMO, the cost of plex will rise if there are fewer people playing the game. Fewer people selling any asset will result in a higher price because there's less competition.

Fewer numbers in Eve will affect everything, lower log in numbers means there's less miners, the miners that are still here will be getting a higher price. I believe what I speak of is true for any real life or virtual economy.

If numbers continue to fall then I guess it could work the other way where plex sales dry up because there are less people applying plex to their sub for game time, and plex sellers will have to reduce the price so they can get a few sales. Plex sellers must consider that some people depend on plex to play the game and it would be wise not to alienate these customers because its not easy for some people to find the time (or the £120.00 per year) to grind for the plex. (yes i've read the 15 minutes of grinding per day posts) If people start leaving because a plex is to hard to grind for because its over 1.1 bil then it will be the fault of the people who sell plex, not CCP. I'd be very interested to see a few posts from people who rely on plex to play the game.

People, our attitudes towards other people and Eve in general will have an effect on the numbers. If we adopt the "oh he can't afford a plex? then he shouldn't be playing!" type of attitude then expect another couple thousand guys to simply stop playing.

We are also involved in making Eve what it is not just CCP. Try to understand this.

Yep, good old procurer.

I wonder when CCP are going to comment. The discussion is very broad, difficult if not impossible to address all of the concerns I suppose, still it does demonstrate that people are getting restless.

I would just urge that they hurry up with the citadels and new structures. Some dev blogs would be nice, the long wanted rebalance for black ops etc etc etc.

There are noticeably less people in my part of lowsec so its not just botters disappearing.

Good post. Actually trying stuff doesn't take heaps of sp. I've managed to dabble in almost everything except Planetary Interaction, which I hear is akin to self-inflicted gunshot-wounds in terms of long-term amusement, and I just ticked past 2mil sp today.

I think really the reason High Sec is where everything is happening is because Null has become even less dangerous than high sec.

In Null, you're either a renter, a member of a super alliance, or you probably got muscled out a long time ago. High sec corporations are the ones taking the biggest risks, since they can at least be War Dec'd. Nobody in their right mind would war dec Imperium or the Goons.

Worst they have to deal with is the occasional interceptor in an NPC corp flying through to try nab an AFK miner. Or something like that. It's boring to the point of silliness.

I think most players look at Eve in terms of their character's "career". Where are you going? What do you plan to do? If you mine, it's so you can buy something later on, with some purpose to it. If you PVE farm, it's the same basic reason. But there's no career advancement in the "Blue Donut". If you're renting now, then you'll always be renting.

If you're in the megaalliance, then you'll always just plod along. Maybe build another Titan this year. Then you can have 20 of them, and still never have any use for them. Yippie!!!

I personally find it interesting how CCP pretty much destroyed half of what PVE'rs work for and thats standing.

Standing is pretty much meaningless now outside some refinery bonus and rewards if you make it to 9.5 or further.

So whats that leave PVE'rs outside isk? Loyalty points?

It just goes to show you weren't paying attention to your customers who now, don't know why they are PVE'ing to begin with.
Oh they quit now? Surprised really?

Oh and PVP needs PVE otherwise they will never be able to find certain drops that are specific to PVE.
But saying PVE needs PVP is laughable, i could make my own ammo, my own ship, my own whatever and still PVE without you.

There once was a reason to exclusive mission run, then CCP screwed those people, and couldn't figure out why they quit.