EVE General Discussion

The more player competition and conflict that can be introduced into PvE, the better.

Players create interaction and a dynamic system into otherwise boring and repetitive circumstances.

This player interaction, furthermore, is what characterizes EVE as a universal sandbox, as does the commensurate risk associated with that competition and conflict.

Asking for a "safe" PvE format in EVE, is like asking for Hello Kitty Online to include Perm-Death, or Death-match.

Its completely inane.

Except it's not "the realities", it's your interpretation of the same. You have in your mind what you think EVE is and is supposed to be. I'm saying there's room for all kinds in this vast and varied sandbox. I've watched players like yourself descend on players who raise ideas you disagree with and troll them into the ground. Hell, you got in an arse over a single thread I was posting in once hence your repeated attacks on me nearly every time you respond to my posts. Players like Tippia and yourself are quick to judge and resistant to change. Unfortunately, CCP need to think about change because they've clearly started to exhaust their niche. Pretty soon they'll need to decide if they want to open it up or double down.

It's not prejudice to recognise a common attribute of the vast majority of players who spend their time growling at people that don't play their way.

See what I was saying about quick to judge? I don't get angry over a computer game. This is entertainment, that's all games are for. If you're so into a game that you can get angry over it you should probably seek help.

I didn;t say I don;t care if they make a good product, quite the opposite. I want them to make a good product for more players. You wan them to alienate most gamers so that you can keep everything the way you like it, no matter what that does to the game in the long run.

Irony.

And no, I think that historically the game has had a good community, and as time has gone on more and more toxic players have driven out good players. I don't want the "players I don't like" driven out, I'd just like to see the community grow in a positive way.

Competition comes in many forms. People racing for the same anoms are competing. Many of the "Grr PvE" crowd can't seem to accept that though and want easy kills. People won't stick around if the entire purpose of them playing is to populate someone else's killboard.

And in there lays the problem. EVE had done well for the way it is, but as things started becoming the way it wasn't, enter the presumed decline (still no real facts regarding actual accounts). This doesn't seem to be the thinking of the players that are, but to become for the "more players" that are actually different players than the current. There is nothing wrong with the way things were, or are to a lesser extent, but to what some think it should become, that is the death of EVE by those fickle players which CCP doesn't even have nor ever will no matter what CCP does to EVE.

Yep, and for many of us, entertainment means playing in a sandbox that doesn't guarantee our personal enjoyment. What you want( or think you want, because you think others want it) is some situation where others can't interfere with someone's enjoyment.

But it's that risk of interference that draws many of us, because it's an opportunity to defeat a challenge fromm the most challenging thing possible (other people).

Ultimately, it's your inability to see beyond your own perspective that causes you to be wrong. You think other people think like you (or have the prosecution complex you display), when the fact is, we don't. EVE survived and thrived as a much harsher game because people like me (and people not like me but who still fit into the EVE niche) actually like what it offers, which is NOT 'guaranteed entertainment'. Every 'solution' you offer revolves around abandoning that which makes EVE great in some lame (and totally disproved) attempt to "open it up to more players".

For once in your life Lucas Kell, THINK. What happened when CCP tried to open up null with Fozzie sov? Do you not understand that your base thinking (about opening the game to 'more players) is along the same line, and that it would fail for the same reason the Sov system you hate did? Can you not defeat your internal prejudices for the 3 seconds it would take for this realization to happen?

I can't help but think of my Restaurant analogy every time i talk to Lucas Kell. I think :"Lucas kell thinks the way to save this steak house is to add Tofu stuff to the menu and hope Vegan dollars will prop it up" lol

Sorry, this restaurant should keep slinging dead cow meat and maybe potatoes (and take all those fancy-smancy salads and latte's they added over the last 6 years OFF the damn menu), screw the rest.

Except of course that they do fit. You'll just disagree with literally anything because you're a troll.

Well tone is difficult to convey, but I assure you If I were any more calm I'd be asleep.

Because he's got his own idea of what EVE is to him and anyone that doesn't immediately fit that is trolled and insulted until they either shut up or leave. And no, I'm not confusing him with me. If it were up to me I'd open up the game to a huge number of players outside of what I enjoy. I'm not so self-centered that I think my way of playing EVE is the only correct way.

It was doing well, now it isn't. And it really hasn't changed that much from what it was, other than you can't post any post anywhere without being immediately followed around by the same trolls.

As I said before, all games will eventually exhaust their primary market, and EVE is nearing that. They have two real choices. They can open it up to a larger market or they can double down on the one they have and try to bring them back. I'm just of the opinion that doubling down will be a stall at best, and with the amount of veteran devs they've shed from CCP will be a very difficult task. I, unlike some, have no problem with playing alongisde different players with different wants. Sure, we should all have levels of interaction, but new players are not here to feed the veterans kills and move on, the game needs to be entertaining for both sides of the interaction.

Wrong. That's not what I want, it's a strawman. What I want is improvements where the primary method of enjoyment isn't the interference itself.

You hero you.

No, that's once again not what I'm suggesting. They shouldn't abandon what EVE is, you just need to understand that what you think EVE is is only a subset of EVE. I'm saying that other, already existing elements should be improved upon to bring in more players that like those elements. I'm not even saying that it shouldn't come with challenge and competition, it just shouldn't instantly involve getting dogpiled by veterans who want easy kills.

They broke it because they were too busy listening to asshats who were telling them how to add more player interaction. Now it's so easy to interact that individual people can contest sov.

No, I think you're drawing connections where there are none. You, like them, fail to realise that the problem is that there's not enough fresh blood, not that the mechanics aren't risky enough. Additionally, null falls down drastically because most null PvE is simply not worth the hassle and boring as sin. Anoms are worth it for poor people, and ice is a necessity, but outside that there's little reason to do it.

That';s funny. See, I have never come to these forum and declared another game mroe fun (Elite) or that this game is just like another game (WoW). You are the one who did that. And yet somehow, I'm the one who wants the game to be ruined.

No sir, that's you. Of the two of us, I'm the one who actually likes EVE (it's my favorite game, I don't play anything else except to dabble, im not sure I'm even a gamer anymore because i don't think I like video games, except EVE).

I do like exclusive things. I prefer Five Sixty to McDonalds. I prefer the Ritz Carlton to Motel 6. What you would do (and what CCP has been doing) is a lowering of standards. You can have that, but you shouldn't have it for EVE.



You think the community is 'toxic' (I do not, I think the community is REAL like a biker bar, or this fun outdoors activity, as opposed to the politically correct fakeness of others), so 'growing in a positive way" means being completely different from what it is.

No thanks. It's a good thing you like Elite so much, you have an alternative. For people like me, there is only EVE.

it's not much of a conflict driver. it's mostly people trying to insist interaction vs people trying to avoid it. even in the content geared for 'fair' PvP fights like FW people are there to farm and run off when it looks like content is emergent.

plus you can get ludicrously profitable PvE content by getting your own non-sig 5/10 to spawn by bashing dens in an AFK missile boat in high sec. i've pulled >450M out of them on a good day.

watch local

spam d-scan if people.

warp to safe if see probes.

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profit.