EVE General Discussion

I have been consistently accused of drawing real life examples in EVE that is "just a game".

I would like to say something about that. I am completely aware that EVE is a game, and in no way I take anything from EVE out of the game, or vice-versa. The parallels are just a form of ilustrating an idea.

EVE is a game closely related to real life more than other MMOs simply because it has no magic, it has no obligated background from a given non human entity or your path to glory traced by the game lore.

What is strange for me and people I enjoy playing with, is that if you really go to the it is just a game and behave only as you would in role playing your character, the people will still say the same, you are crazy, "It is just a game".

In that regard, I tell you, I am well aware it is just a game, but my role play is greatly rewarding by the fact that people think of "Being just a game" means they can do stupid actions by the ficion optics, not taken as such, because it is just a game.

I deal with selling materials that pay ten times more than the things that materials are used for, because this being just a game, people buy things by the price they are sold, not by the price they would value inside the game fiction.

People will fight, kill and defend things that in no way their races, activities or any EVE fiction reason would imply the need.

People will have no shred of intent in honoring the game fiction while that means nothing in Real Life, where as they would band to do gamewise nonsense just to have a IRL laugh. And those are the ones saying I am the one mixing the two.

So basically, most of the joy I take from the game comes from the fact that most people behave ingame reproducing the aspects of real life needed for making it more immersive, while saying they do that because this is just a game.

The people most forum posters are eager to attack and say they "ruin the game" are in most cases the only ones doing ingame actions for ingame reasons. People who initiate community programs anti crime, people who activelly seek a detour from the monotone "roach fight" of fits, or senseless combat, or meaningless flaming. People who likes immersive gameplay.

So to save the game we should log, fight random fights, or shot NPCs for loot, and that would save the game ?

So what really means to say "EVE is just a game" ?

True.

I was there. TM

This thread is probably a troll... but I'll bite.


It means...

1. When you log in, you leave your RL stuff (issues, problems, preconceptions, perspectives) at the log-in screen. If you can't, you have bigger issues in life and need to not log in.

2. When you log out, you leave your in-game stuff (issues, problems, preconceptions, perspective) in the game. If you can't, you should probably take a nice long break from it.

3. The "rules" of the game, as they currently are, are the only rules that matter IN THE GAME. What you THINK the rules should be does not apply. They are what they are.
Example: In chess, the Queen is the most overpowered piece on the board. As long as it is not blocked, it can move in any direction for as many spaces as it desires. That's the rule. You may not like it and find it "cheap," but it is what it is.

4. Different people will take the game more or less seriously than others. But that does not mean that either group has more or less invested in the game than others. If they think that, then I refer back to Point 1: "Leave your personal preconceptions and perspectives at the log-in screen."

5. You are NOT a special snowflake. At all. You do not have any more or less of a right to tell others to behave or play a certain way than anyone else because YOU personally do not like it (refer to Points 1, 3, and 4).
The moment you do, another player can come along and say the EXACT SAME THING against something YOU DO.

6. Yes, any game can be anything a person wants it to be (even chess and checkers)... but every game has a "core" that can be inferred through its history and core mechanics. At which point, refer to Point 3.



To get the heart of the matter though...

It seems that you, Mr. OP, are having a hard time reconciling the concept that players will do what they want to do... without caring about the lore or Role Playing aspects YOU THINK they should care about.
That is fine.

But remember that for others this is a game. It is nothing more than rules and mechanics with pretty graphics.
For some people, a backstory is nice... but not mandatory for the game to exist in the first place. The fact that the game exists at all is a goddamn miracle for some of us.

Oh... and not to nitpick...

That doesn't make sense. When it comes to the market, WE ARE the "in-game fiction." It was how the mechanics were designed and intended to be.

Gives a new meaning to the phrase "dictors bubble her up".

Yeah, I am the one saying that people should do this or that. (sarcasm. I have to point out because some people are sarcasm impaired)

It is hard to forget real life preconceptions when someone always remind you that here in eve as in real life, people confuses the idea of freedom with the idea of doing what everyone do.

But I will do something similar to what people tried with me:

When you point out with my exact words when have I said that someone HAVE to do something, without no conditionals, then we discuss that exact point.

For those not familiar with what conditionals are, they were taught by language course as follows:

"Do as I say." - That is an imperative statement, meaning I am telling you to do what I say.

"If you do this, you will get that." - That is a conditional statement, cause and effect, meaning if you do this, the consequence is to get that. In that point, I am telling no one what to do, just exposing what happens when you do.

"To get this, you must do that" - That is also a form of conditional. That means doing "that" is mandatory to get "this". There is no telling someone to do something.

Pratical example:

"You have to go to null sec.", "You have to leave NPC corps.", "You cant enjoy mining". "You cant enjoy locking asteroids or wrecks."

Those are the things telling people how to play the game.

Those are the things people usually tell me. Those arent the things I say.

I never tell people to play the game the way I want.

I just point out always that people are free to choose. And this is something that you detracting me just dont stop trying to make people think they cant.

Someone even gone the extent to group people who does one small set of things are the "true eve players", and other people are just "gamers".

Certainly a blunt example of someone telling people what to do.

This is true. We are in some simulator on a pleasure hub in the real New Eden.
Well as true as it needs to be, as they are too

Looks like marsha left your arse a little raw mate, might think about chilling this one out op.

normally people who suck at the game tend to say "its just a game"... as the game is played in real life, its as real as it can be

EVE is just a game? Nah, it's an addiction.

1. Eve online has "cynosural fields" and "wormholes", when in fact we can't even prove if they exit in real life.
It also has instant hit autocannon / rail guns, when in reality even a supernova explosion only travels at around 13 km / second.
So when you fire your artillery shells at a target that's 130 km away - it really should take at least 10 seconds until impact. Anyways, the list goes on.

2. I think "Eve is just a game" means, Eve is not real life. If my Eve account gets hacked and all my ISK gets stolen tonight, I would not lose sleep over it, and it would not ruin my dinner. I would still salivate over the New York strip that I'm about to eat. Of course I'd prefer it not to happen.

But if my real life bank account gets hacked and all my money is gone, that would be painful.

Also, some people play video games to get gratification that they cannot get in real life. Another reason they are different.