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The Sentinel: People's experiences with them?
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1 - 2012-01-03 22:05:58 UTC
I am kicking around the idea of flying one, but am curious what people's experiences are with them, either flying one or getting attacked by one.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-01-03 22:16:48 UTC
IME it was really good before the Dramiel boost. Since the Dramiel nerf I've seen it put to decent use.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#3 - 2012-01-03 22:18:01 UTC
I like it for solo but it scares off most of the viable targets by being a neut beast.

Give me a nudge and I will write up more about it but for now I am too tired (sorry) but want to be encouraged to give more thoughts at a later date (so mail me)!!! :D

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Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#4 - 2012-01-03 23:08:35 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I am kicking around the idea of flying one, but am curious what people's experiences are with them, either flying one or getting attacked by one.


Main disadvantages are low dps (target friends arrive before it dies) and very poor reputation (nobody will engage you without friends or neutproof fit).
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#5 - 2012-01-03 23:15:01 UTC
Same problems the Curse has I guess, except arguably slightly less well known!
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#6 - 2012-01-03 23:21:11 UTC
It is beginning to sound like the boat is not fun to fly because everyone runs away?
Am I paraphrasing the last 2 posters correctly?
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#7 - 2012-01-03 23:27:07 UTC
Can't say I've flown one properly, but its reputation is pretty well known. Then again there are a huge amount of ships ingame that have a reputation of "if you fight this solo you'll probably not win"
I'm pretty sure there will be situations where you will use one and people won't run away, you might have to engage things that you yourself don't expect to have a chance against I guess.
Alternatively fly it in a small frigate gang? Let your fleet get into the fight then turn up and expect to be primaried!
Goose99
#8 - 2012-01-03 23:29:31 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It is beginning to sound like the boat is not fun to fly because everyone runs away?
Am I paraphrasing the last 2 posters correctly?


I'd imagine they would rather just kill it instead of flying away? I have one for ship spinning purposes, but never flown it. TD would seem like it should work as support against larger boats. But is small neut actually useful against anything? Sentinel seems just too slow and flimsy against other frigs. They ought to give it covops.Cool
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#9 - 2012-01-03 23:41:15 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It is beginning to sound like the boat is not fun to fly because everyone runs away?
Am I paraphrasing the last 2 posters correctly?


I'd imagine they would rather just kill it instead of flying away? I have one for ship spinning purposes, but never flown it. TD would seem like it should work as support against larger boats. But is small neut actually useful against anything? Sentinel seems just too slow and flimsy against other frigs. They ought to give it covops.Cool



I was fooling around in EFT with a fit, and matched it up against a shield Neut / 425 Auto Cane.
Now, this is EFT only, so in game could be far far different, but I think it would effectively take a Cane out of a fight.
Would take forever to kill the Hurricane, but that BC would not be going anywhere while support warped in.

You could fly outside of the range of the BC's medium neuts, and guns, while running a neut/nos/warp disrupter for a long time. The fit below would reduce the Canes 425's to 0.6 km, falloff of 4.8km, even with Barrage and 2 Tracking Enhancers in the Cane's lows.

[Sentinel, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Tracking Disruptor II, Optimal Range Disruption
Tracking Disruptor II, Optimal Range Disruption
Warp Disruptor II

Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II

Small Tracking Diagnostic Subroutines I
Small Tracking Diagnostic Subroutines I


Hobgoblin II x4
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#10 - 2012-01-03 23:49:52 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It is beginning to sound like the boat is not fun to fly because everyone runs away?
Am I paraphrasing the last 2 posters correctly?


I'd imagine they would rather just kill it instead of flying away? I have one for ship spinning purposes, but never flown it. TD would seem like it should work as support against larger boats. But is small neut actually useful against anything? Sentinel seems just too slow and flimsy against other frigs. They ought to give it covops.Cool



I was fooling around in EFT with a fit, and matched it up against a shield Neut / 425 Auto Cane.
Now, this is EFT only, so in game could be far far different, but I think it would effectively take a Cane out of a fight.
Would take forever to kill the Hurricane, but that BC would not be going anywhere while support warped in.

You could fly outside of the range of the BC's medium neuts, and guns, while running a neut/nos/warp disrupter for a long time. The fit below would reduce the Canes 425's to 0.6 km, falloff of 4.8km, even with Barrage and 2 Tracking Enhancers in the Cane's lows.

[Sentinel, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Tracking Disruptor II, Optimal Range Disruption
Tracking Disruptor II, Optimal Range Disruption
Warp Disruptor II

Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II

Small Tracking Diagnostic Subroutines I
Small Tracking Diagnostic Subroutines I


Hobgoblin II x4



Canes have drones - with a destroyer like sigradius and a papertank, I doubt you'd survive for long enough to take them out - either get eaten by warrior II's or get jammed by ECM drones for just one cycle and you're done.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#11 - 2012-01-04 00:12:10 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
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Canes have drones - with a destroyer like sigradius and a papertank, I doubt you'd survive for long enough to take them out - either get eaten by warrior II's or get jammed by ECM drones for just one cycle and you're done.


The question would be would my drones eat his drones before his drones eat my ship.
Guess the only way to see if that is true is to fly it.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#12 - 2012-01-04 00:43:18 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:


Canes have drones - with a destroyer like sigradius and a papertank, I doubt you'd survive for long enough to take them out - either get eaten by warrior II's or get jammed by ECM drones for just one cycle and you're done.


The question would be would my drones eat his drones before his drones eat my ship.
Guess the only way to see if that is true is to fly it.



I doubt you could take it if the pilot is remotely competent - and then you need to find a cane that doesn't have friends, is off stations and gates (because he'd have plenty of time to call in friends or deagress and dock/jump).

You don't have much of a range buffer and if you start micromanaging to kill his drones, you're rather prone to sudden maneuvers combined with him overheating as you just have 700 m/s speed advantage over them if he OH's his MWD and you don't if you just hit orbit/keep at range.

Granted, it's been around three years since I've last flown a Sentinel, but I personally wouldn't try that. It certainly would be possible against a lowly skilled cane pilot or a total moron (remembering that dude getting killed in a Mach by sentry guns and a Sentinel).

From what i remember, it worked best against Amarr ships and with tracking speed disrupotion, (soloing a ratting zealot in it worked like a charm) but I'd be interested in reading your experiences with your fit against canes.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)