Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't worry, he often resorts to the chewbacca defence in positions like this. You'll get used to it.

Fair enough, but you did claim that Eve was not a PvP game. That position is, in fact, incorrect for the reasons I outlined above.

Then don't log in. That's like saying I have "zero reason" to play a game of Starcraft because even though I like harvesting resources, I can be attacked by the other players. If you do not like the gameplay on offer, then you should be playing another game. Or better yet, log in and drop to the NPC corp, where CCP has thoughtfully included wardec-free gameplay for players like you who are averse to fighting other players.

But CCP is addressing this issue of incentives this with the new structures. Once they are released, you will have to log in to defend them or you will lose them, and the substantial costs of the rigs. You will no longer be allowed to take them down, or evade the war without consequences. You now have a reason to defend.

I have no problem with attackers being encouraged, or even forced in a balanced way, to use structures as well so they have something to defend. That would make the game more interesting. But I am telling you now, that CCP will not tie the continued existence of the war to those structures. Wars are needed to remove structures. Wars are need to facilitate conflict in highsec. You will not get a way to isolate yourself from attack by other players as an incentive to fight in a war.

Eve is a PvP at its core and you will always be expected to defend yourself from other players. If you won't login to protect your stuff, then perhaps you really are playing the wrong game.

I meant EVE wasn't a PVP game by genre. There are more things that can be done other than fight, but CCP does accommodate those that want to fight.


you forgot the option of rolling an alt character, which I do have for such events. My options are restricted, but not so much that I can't find something to do.


I disagree with the PVP part, as there are more than one way to play EVE, but PVP is part of it. that's my interpretation .



How so? Wouldn't you like to disrupt out-of-corp haulers moving stuff from enemy corps? it's suicide ganking, so it's in CODE element. I thought on grid boosting was improbable because of the system needing to check every X amount of time.

That aside, I already listed my war mechanic idea pages ago, though only for the cost of the dec itself.

no, I don't. I don't partake in such activities. I went under the assumption that enemy corps use out-of-corp haulers but you don't know who is hauling it. Since there's apparently so much safety and options for us carebears, why not something for the aggressors?

That's fine. Playing an alt in another corporation or in the NPC corp is perfectly valid as it is the corporations that are at war. Wardecs are not suppose to lock you out from playing the game. Currently you can ignore a war without consequence if you stay docked, but in the future such a choice will result in your structures being lost.

If you are willing to accept those consequences, then play as you choose. If you don't have structures, well then you are practically in an NPC corp anyway. You'd save everyone a lot of time, and free yourself from the hassle of having to use an alt, if you just stayed in the NPC corp and used a chat channel to socialize with your friends.

You can define and use words however you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact that Eve (AKA Everyone vs Everyone) Online was conceived of, and design as a full time PvP sandbox game. You are welcome to play it as a skittish prey animal, dodging the predators by holing up in a station or not logging in when they declare war on you. That is a perfectly valid play style.

But do not expect that you have the right to play Eve immune from these predators. The game is not going to give you an incentive beyond keeping your stuff to defend yourself from them, and will never feature mechanisms that allow you to gather resources while safe. If your strategy to protect yourself is to always evade, then go right ahead, but that doesn't mean that Eve isn't a PvP game - in fact that just proves that it is a PvP game as another player is affecting your game play.

Do you know why it's always laughable when people cry about neutral logi, or neutral boosts, or scouts, or whichever?

Because with a little homework, you can find out who those people are, and if you feel like it, you can kill them. Or if you're so inclined, you can just watchlist them so you know ahead of time when the enemy is coming, because you saw their scout.

by that definition, most mmos are pvp by virtue of a player affecting others in an aspect (generally in a negative sense)

As long people understand the consequences of their actions (both sides of this) , I can at least live with it. At least until CCP messes with something critical. However, this won't stop me from voicing my opinions on the matter.



And you don't whine? Aren't you the type that wants to abolish highsec or concord, and complain about people dropping corp/reforming corp? You constantly belittle everyone that holds any views, opinions, or ideas that conflict with your own.

Not really, no. I mostly pop up to go against bad ideas like the ones in this thread. About the only thing I complain about is the dec dodge exploit, but then if CCP un-declared superdunking as an exploit where previously it had been, I'd expect you to complain too.

Oh, and the awox toggle, but then once again if CCP just outright deleted your playstyle from the game I'd expect you to complain as well. I have nothing but sympathy in my heart for salvagers, for example.



Concord is a bad, bad mechanic. It's heavy handed, needlessly binary, and anti sandbox.

And CCP knows that, that's why wars are the way they are.



After literally years of being called some of the most vile, colorful and inventive things in the English language, and a few others as well by the likes of you(not to mention being doxxed), I have very little tolerance for the hateful views of carebears anymore.

The funny part is that you have no idea about me. I belittle you, and your views, and I do so without reservation. Most everyone else gets an honest discussion, because unlike you they're likely looking for an honest discussion, not to just cry until they get more playstyles removed from the game.

No, super dunking was something else, just recently banned. It was a trick that let you occupy Concord with dozens of shuttles prior to you attacking, forcing them to target the shuttles one at a time until they were gone before they actually got to you.

It was genuinely broken.





Nope, merely a judgement made after seeing enough of your posting, that's all.




Nerfing one of the already weakest mechanics in the game is not an honest discussion, no. Not unless dec dodging is either patched out, has a hefty punishment built in, or is banned by CCP. Until then, wars do not need to be even the tiniest bit weaker.

And, as has been mentioned repeatedly(and not just by me), any mechanic that dissolves the wardec is a non starter.




Yes. My position regarding wars and highsec income balance is long standing.

"I know you are but what am I"?

My opinions are based on logic, facts, and multiple, cited, statements from the creators of the game as to what kind of game Eve is. While your views are based on, well, nothing really. Perhaps just wishful thinking or maybe some inexplicable need to hide from reality and bury your head in the sand hence are misguided.

You're welcome to your opinions, but if you want to understand why the game is the way it is, or why certain changes can or won't be made, you need to accept facts. And the simple fact is that CCP designed Eve as a full-time, PvP sandbox game and that design puts constraints on what types of game play are possible.