Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Really, where have I argued this? Can you link to a post or a quote?

Oh, and yes, I have argued that there is no effort required when it comes to local as an intel source. It is there as part of the client for "free". However, noting that one of your sources of intel is "free" and obtained with no effort, is not the same as saying all intel is effortless or that the PvE pilot/player has not made additional efforts at gaining security.

Yet another clear cut case of you building a straw man from one of my specific comments being over-generalized.

And before Lucas goes off on a complete tangent about ISK/rewards of NS, I am not opposed to revamping the rewards of NS. I think NS rewards are currently bad in two ways. The first is that ratting (probably the most dominant rewards in NS) is boring, boring, boring. People set up in a system, with a single fit to their ship and can, more or less, rat AFK. This comes with a problem. First, it becomes easy to spot where to go to hunt PvE ships. Oh, they are in that system with 25,000 NPC kills in the last 24 hours. Second, they sit in the same system and get the benefits of local so if they do happen to spot the incoming and active hostile, they have a very good chance of getting safe. Further, the hunter know with a high degree of certainty what to shoot at these PvE players. The second reason it is bad is it injects a metric butt ton of ISK into the Eve economy. The problem with this is potential inflation. Sticking with the anomaly/bounty model means that CCP cannot scale anomalies up very much, if at all. Doing that could lead to a big increase in inflation, which will slam new players (and players with smaller wallets) hardest. In fact, CCP did try this early on in Dominion sov with the idea it would promote conflict…problem is, it did not and ISK flooded into the economy, and CCP walked that change back. Best solution I’ve seen, is switch NS over to missions with LP, maybe even LP that can be cashed in with different LP stores. Now we have an ISK sink, and players can earn ISK by cashing in LP for LP store items and selling them. Yes, the price of those items would go down, but the supply and demand for these items would mean it would not become a runaway problem like with ISK and inflation. And have you checked the price of the Federation Navy Light Neutron blasters on the market in Jita…just under 90 million. Granted those sales orders have just 1 gun. But with more of them on the market they might sell for considerably less (and in higher quantities).

And there are other possible benefits. Missions will scale with the number of people in a system (assuming they want to do the missions) and without the downside of inflation. That is if you could cram 10 people at any given time into a system to rat anomalies you could cram 100, 200, or even more into a system doing missions. [Note, this would make AFK cloaking harder, if you have 50-60 people active doing missions, and that AFK cloaker does attack he’d better be damn confident he’ll kill that ship before 20 or 30 guys land on him and blap him.] Second, if the missions mean you fight different rats…now those hunting you will not know with certainty what your resist holes are, yes they could guess or take extra effort to figure it out and change things up, but that makes their work harder…and anything that raises costs (and effort is a cost) then it lowers the quantity. Finally, it will force people to move around and the signal from sources like dotlan will become more diffuse which will make it bit harder for the hunter. However, moving systems will increase your risk too as you could be jumping into the waiting arms of a hostile or hostiles. Of course, this can be mitigated via intel channels, cloaking scouts, etc. Heck, the more I think about this, it makes me become less concerned about local while removing AFK cloaking.

Holy crap Teckos. Any chance of a tl;dr or should I just assume it's "grumble grumble local exists"?

Sure.

TL;DR: Lucas was wrong on what I think about NS income. He jumped to the wrong conclusion. At the end, given changes to NS income removing local if AFK cloaking is removed is less of a thing for me.

So, you were wrong twice Lucas.

Good job!

Nope, they've been holding their cards close to their chest on that one. There is the OA thread (it is stickied so you should be able to find it easily), but nothing new has been posted there in a while.

Not exactly what I'd call an unbiased summary.

It's people that actively play the game would like people to have to actively play the game, not sleep while logged on to achieve anything.

People who try to hunt in cloaked ships thinking that they are being super clever by skipping over those interceptor things for something that can run away and hide as soon as there's trouble want to get free ratter kills.

Cleaned up some posts. Play nice.

It's all been discussed to death in those pages you didn't bother to read. You don't even ask for more information intelligently, your why could be asking for any number of clarifications. Either you understand nothing at all and should actually read the thread before vomiting on your keyboard, or you should use your words and ask intelligent questions on the parts you don't understand like they taught in kindergarten.

I don't care about or participate in public killboards. I dont die often either. Nice job refuting a reasoned response by trying to attack my killboard though.

How about you actually read up on the issue and get back to us with an informed opinion.

Not claiming I am super sneaky. I just don't participate in them and don't die much. I do die occasionally.

How about the cloaky person also needs to stay at his keyboard and also paying attention.

That is the while issue right there. Not that he is hunting, but that he can sit in space threatening the locals with no recourse.

You still have clearly not read the thread. Feel free to comment intelligently when you have.

You do know we want to end the stalemate "afk cloaking" creates, don't you?