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ISD Decoy
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ISD Alliance
#41 - 2015-09-04 16:01:49 UTC
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who1 eva
KEQ Industrial Complex
#42 - 2015-09-04 21:19:30 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Please, keep any discussion about the relative merits of Mac vs. Windows configurations limited to concrete facts. The Internet has been full of the subjective end of that argument for its entire existence and doesn't need more.

In regard to EVE's performance on the Mac, we're currently working on a number of bug fixes and improvements that should make the Mac a more appealing platform for the game. I can't, however, offer you a date for this.


Thank you, that's great to hear!!! Big smile
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#43 - 2015-09-04 22:03:01 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
You're not looking then because there are some superior options for the same money if you are focused on screens and cases.

I do admit mac book pros have some solid cases that can take some abuse. Cooling for the internals on the other hand......

I've had a dell inspiron 7520 that I got for half off years ago (brand new). I opened it up and replaced the thermal paste as generally OEMs are pretty bad at applying thermal paste properly. My machine was actually pretty well done which surprised me. Regardless assuming I'm not blocking vents it can run games with full "turbo" on the intel CPU.

Does doing that to a Macbook still void the warranty?

people keep saying there are better options, but almost no one has given any info on said better options. Also many seem to be referencing the MBA, where the OP is saying MBP (and I think some might be looking at the macbook, which seems to be a design stunt more than anything). No clue on the warranty aspect. I do almost all my eve on a desktop, on mobile if I can log in and change skills that is about all I want, and the intel integrated cards can manage that.

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d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2015-09-04 22:21:46 UTC  |  Edited by: d0cTeR9
Ultim8Evil wrote:
£1000+ for a 13" laptop with a low-end CPU, slightly above bare minimum RAM, limited storage, and an integrated GPU.

I suppose you'll look cool sat in Starbucks with a skinny latte typing your memoirs though.

Apple really does see you people coming.

#PCMasterRace


Yepp, blows my mind how people waste money on those...

We had a guy come in with one of those super slim mac laptops... stupid thing couldn't have anything plugged into and it BARELY ran the photo and video software needed. Cost him a bundle too.

I ran a few MSI gaming laptops which worked fantasticly well and at a HUGE reduce in cost. At home i run a Alienware X51. 3 LED 30" monitors, every setting set to high, never got lag, even when we running fleet maneuvers with the rest of the Imperium.

Been around since the beginning.
u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
Ore No More
#45 - 2015-09-04 22:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: u3pog
You and your laptops...Nothing can beat an Ultra High Desktop PC. If you want to play with 10 EVE Clients on MAX thats the true power!

Laptops were designed to be mobile and for business (remember the first ones), putting graphics cards and everything else to satisfy gamers is a perversion, made for profit. Take Alienware for example - can't go anywhere without the charger next to you, its like carrying a nuclar plant in your backpack. Kinda makes it a desktop PC if it's always plugged in, right? Only plus is you move it easier around...but don't listen to me, I am just thinking out loud. I guess it's prestige to own one...

I have my desktop PC for gaming (and old one and can still play on High), and my laptop for everything else.
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2015-09-05 03:40:16 UTC
u3pog wrote:
You and your laptops...Nothing can beat an Ultra High Desktop PC. If you want to play with 10 EVE Clients on MAX thats the true power!

Laptops were designed to be mobile and for business (remember the first ones), putting graphics cards and everything else to satisfy gamers is a perversion, made for profit. Take Alienware for example - can't go anywhere without the charger next to you, its like carrying a nuclar plant in your backpack. Kinda makes it a desktop PC if it's always plugged in, right? Only plus is you move it easier around...but don't listen to me, I am just thinking out loud. I guess it's prestige to own one...

I have my desktop PC for gaming (and old one and can still play on High), and my laptop for everything else.


Haha i remember my old alienware gaming laptop back in 2006. Charger was bigger than a brick... much bigger!

Been around since the beginning.
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2015-09-05 05:30:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
La Rynx wrote:
First Answer = Top Answer

I expect 1920x1080 to work well.

Retina: 2880x1800 errmmm...no
But you cant read the letters well on a 15" mb pro. very small.
You might want a mouse, but the touchpad works well.

I have a 2012 retina 15" (company machine) and it does fine.
privat i have windows machines.

This is the issue I have with laptops. AT 1920x1080 with a 15 inch screen things can be tiny. Higher resolutions are pretty much wasted on such a small screen.

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

people keep saying there are better options, but almost no one has given any info on said better options. Also many seem to be referencing the MBA, where the OP is saying MBP (and I think some might be looking at the macbook, which seems to be a design stunt more than anything). No clue on the warranty aspect. I do almost all my eve on a desktop, on mobile if I can log in and change skills that is about all I want, and the intel integrated cards can manage that.

I have no motivation to provide you with information that you could find for yourself via some google searches. I have far too much on my plate right now to dedicate much more time then what I used to make this post.

Since I'm feeling nice here's a link to get you started.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/

For example.
An Asus ZenBook Pro UX501JW is in the same price range and has far better hardware.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-09-05 06:42:16 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:

This is the issue I have with laptops. AT 1920x1080 with a 15 inch screen things can be tiny. Higher resolutions are pretty much wasted on such a small screen.


If thats tiny, just try the retina resolution...
Blink

@the "pc-is-best-guys"

please keep it for your self.
one could say youre just envy.

This "my red" is better than "your blue".
Or minus is better than plus, is only boring.

Obviously one thing is true.
Macusers have more money than you guys!
Blink

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-09-05 06:47:41 UTC
u3pog wrote:
Only plus is you move it easier around


This is the ONLY thing, they where designed at the first place.
Taking your work with you all the time.

I remember the first portables well.

Now they have portable batteries (run without to be plugged in) and still have power to play with.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#50 - 2015-09-05 08:51:44 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

people keep saying there are better options, but almost no one has given any info on said better options. Also many seem to be referencing the MBA, where the OP is saying MBP (and I think some might be looking at the macbook, which seems to be a design stunt more than anything). No clue on the warranty aspect. I do almost all my eve on a desktop, on mobile if I can log in and change skills that is about all I want, and the intel integrated cards can manage that.

I have no motivation to provide you with information that you could find for yourself via some google searches. I have far too much on my plate right now to dedicate much more time then what I used to make this post.

Since I'm feeling nice here's a link to get you started.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/

For example.
An Asus ZenBook Pro UX501JW is in the same price range and has far better hardware.

A very nice laptop and it appears to be ~$1500, which is more expensive than the base macbook at ~$1300. Which is probably why I never saw it, also that model doesn't look to be on newegg (apparently out of stock). At a glance it looks to be competitive with the $2500 mac book. The nice thing about apple is they don't do cheap stuff, the problem however, when you start going up in specs the costs get insane. Shocked

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
a newbie
Kenbishi Heavy Industries Inc.
#51 - 2015-09-06 02:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: a newbie
Adding my two cents..

Apple MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2013)
Intel i7 2.6 Quad
16 GB DDR3 1600
1TB SSD
Intel Iris Pro 1536 MB
Nvidia GTX 750M 2048 MB

I run a custom app called SetRes (just a bash script converted to clickable app) that allows me to run my MacBook in native res (2880x1800) and I can run EVE well enough with middle of the road settings when piping it through my dedicated Nvidia card.

It can be hard to read for some, personally I love it because its awesome for information density, but turn it to low settings dropping most of the bling and then zoom far out, you can have nearly 100 targets on overview list but again, not everyone's eyes can read it well.

I basically stick to maintenance playing (mining, traveling, shopping, fitting, missioning, or intel gathering) when I am on the macbook, or pvp in rare case when I am over a friends house with laptop.

Otherwise I have a triple monitor setup running off my tower piped through both an Nvidia GTX 980 and GTX 750i.

Like nearly all games for some reason, battery life expectancy is about 1 hour. It lasts longer if game is windowed mode and less than full screen, but handling multiple clients can be too much even for my machine. Cmd tabbing or minimizing is the only to run both and even that is unreliable.

Screen brightness is a HUGE part of your macs battery life as well. You're machine can last nearly 8 hours of solid use if display is kept around half brightness and you are not running full screen video players. Yes the mac runs a scaling for interface, but its still a large density screen and uses a lot of power. With brightness at full, expect a full movie on netflix to drain your battery to low levels. Doing other things like spreadsheets and regular web browsing (NOT youtube, still videos) and you can get the full 8 hours use.

If you're going to play eve, understand you will likely need to have a power source readily available.

...um.. fire?
a newbie
Kenbishi Heavy Industries Inc.
#52 - 2015-09-06 02:14:12 UTC  |  Edited by: a newbie
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

A very nice laptop and it appears to be ~$1500, which is more expensive than the base macbook at ~$1300. Which is probably why I never saw it, also that model doesn't look to be on newegg (apparently out of stock). At a glance it looks to be competitive with the $2500 mac book. The nice thing about apple is they don't do cheap stuff, the problem however, when you start going up in specs the costs get insane.


Yes the great thing about MacBook (any of the newer lineups) is the nearly 1300-1500/mb read/write speeds of their PCI-e drives. However frankly its nearly trivial on the MacBook (non pro) because the rest of the specs are preventative of you doing much on the machine that would require that kind of drive speeds.

The MacBook Pro benefits from it, however they have essentially hamstrung the video performance by going to the more heat intensive AMD video card for the newer models. I have been very happy with the previous years Nvidia integration.

The $1999 model MacBook Pro is our base model for new staff at my work if you are a developer. Comes standard with Intel Iris Pro Retina, a 2.2 GHz Intel i7 quad, 16GB DDR3 1600 memory, PCI-e 256 GB SSD, and Dual Wireless AC. Overall its a nice machine, the hard drive size costs an extra 300 to go up to the 512.

Considering how much I use mine, it was worth it to me to purchase the upper MBP with all hardware maxed out. This has allowed me to do lots of stuff for my work and studies such as run multiple VMs simultaneously as well as have capacity for my entire google drive 1TB volume.

But yeah.. it does get expensive fast.

...um.. fire?
Dhoom Solaar
Sunns of Solaar
#53 - 2015-09-06 10:15:19 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Raven Lee wrote:
I'm planning to buy 13inch MacBook Pro Retina (2015), and is this laptop is good enough to run EVE smoothly while every options set to "high"?


no, it will get way too hot, like burning, it will damage your mac battery as well as your Keyboard will bend, just Forget it... I tried... you could think about installing Windows on your mac and try it with the Windows Client, I heard that will make it not glow at least but still, somehow not the ideal sollution


eh, that's rubbish. Been playing eve on my MB Pro with most settings on high and little issues. It gets a bit laggy in trade hubs or when there's lots of rats around, but just turn some of the settings down to fix it.

The fan does get a bit louder but no heating issues so far, and certainly no bent keyboards.

Now, if only I could stretch the windowed client across two monitors...
Zihao
Doomheim
#54 - 2015-09-07 03:59:42 UTC
If I had 2k+ to spend on a laptop, I'd get an MSI Titan, but I can see where something slightly more mobile than a 12 pound 18 inch behemoth might be desirable for most laptop use cases. Lol
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#55 - 2015-09-07 04:23:12 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
In regard to EVE's performance on the Mac, we're currently working on a number of bug fixes and improvements that should make the Mac a more appealing platform for the game. I can't, however, offer you a date for this.

We appreciate all the teams efforts to-date!

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Pew Terror
All of it
#56 - 2015-09-07 06:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pew Terror
Not running a mac here, but Win10 on an intel HD 5500 (slightly weaker then the 6100) in a low power laptop.

1080p: Eve is fine, max settings for PvE, min settings for PvP.

Everything above 1080p: Unplayable.

Even on a desktop you better get high resolution gaming out of your head unless you go all out on gfx performance (bare 4k min would be dual 980s id say). Screen resolution scales everything up exponentially. Just play at half native res and it will still look great.


Edit: To the topic of amount of money for a laptop: Specs are the least of my worries when it comes to laptops. Weight/keyboard/build quality scale all much higher when you use it for working. And the macs arent even that expensive any more. Comparable windows machines are a cool 10-20% more expensive then a MBP nowadays.
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