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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2015-09-03 21:09:11 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
I hope to god CCP doesn't allow a single citadel in highsec.

Oh they're coming, and not in the hot, sweaty way either.


Oh I know. Its great. Hopefully they will be available to NPC corps too. Because why would anyone want to leave highsec? Bad things can happed to my stuff if I leave highsec!! Oh noes!

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#42 - 2015-09-03 21:39:23 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
I hope to god CCP doesn't allow a single citadel in highsec.

Oh they're coming, and not in the hot, sweaty way either.


Oh I know. Its great. Hopefully they will be available to NPC corps too. Because why would anyone want to leave highsec? Bad things can happed to my stuff if I leave highsec!! Oh noes!


They are even trying to limit what bad stuff that could happen to 0.0 citadels. Magical stuff even. Upon destruction stuff instamagicly teleportrances to a location of your choosing. even titans. yeah, citadels are destructible but only to a certain degree. one that in a sense means everything is A.O.K.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#43 - 2015-09-03 23:14:52 UTC
Yong Shin wrote:
I, in turn, sincerely admire your sense of allegiance to your Blessed Mother of Acceleration, and will be pleased with the results of tomorrow's battle as long as it is a good fight, regardless of who shall prevail.

If Domino Vyse emerges victorious, however, I will have full faith that her Iron Condom protection plan will more than adequately protect Pretty Silver House from you and your brethren.

I look forward to watching the video!

We'll be seeing you.... Pirate

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2015-09-04 03:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
StonerPhReaK wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
I hope to god CCP doesn't allow a single citadel in highsec.

Oh they're coming, and not in the hot, sweaty way either.


Oh I know. Its great. Hopefully they will be available to NPC corps too. Because why would anyone want to leave highsec? Bad things can happed to my stuff if I leave highsec!! Oh noes!


They are even trying to limit what bad stuff that could happen to 0.0 citadels. Magical stuff even. Upon destruction stuff instamagicly teleportrances to a location of your choosing. even titans. yeah, citadels are destructible but only to a certain degree. one that in a sense means everything is A.O.K.


What??

Dude I hope you are trolling me.

If not, I'm guessing I'll soon have access to all my stuff via my "stash". Thats good. It will make it easier to use the new guild bank and auction house features. Which, in turn, will allow me to craft things easier.

Next patch: upon having your hitpoints reduced to zero (we can't say death anymore), your pod appears at the "dockyard" and you fly it back to your ship's wreck, whereabout you respawn with all your loot. Also good. That means raid bosses will be easier as I won't have to replace all the epic and artifact weapons on my ships.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#45 - 2015-09-04 05:37:30 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
StonerPhReaK wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
I hope to god CCP doesn't allow a single citadel in highsec.

Oh they're coming, and not in the hot, sweaty way either.


Oh I know. Its great. Hopefully they will be available to NPC corps too. Because why would anyone want to leave highsec? Bad things can happed to my stuff if I leave highsec!! Oh noes!


They are even trying to limit what bad stuff that could happen to 0.0 citadels. Magical stuff even. Upon destruction stuff instamagicly teleportrances to a location of your choosing. even titans. yeah, citadels are destructible but only to a certain degree. one that in a sense means everything is A.O.K.


What??

Dude I hope you are trolling me.

If not, I'm guessing I'll soon have access to all my stuff via my "stash". Thats good. It will make it easier to use the new guild bank and auction house features. Which, in turn, will allow me to craft things easier.

Next patch: upon having your hitpoints reduced to zero (we can't say death anymore), your pod appears at the "dockyard" and you fly it back to your ship's wreck, whereabout you respawn with all your loot. Also good. That means raid bosses will be easier as I won't have to replace all the epic and artifact weapons on my ships.

I said Hey

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Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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Yong Shin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2015-09-04 07:45:21 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
StonerPhReaK wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
I hope to god CCP doesn't allow a single citadel in highsec.

Oh they're coming, and not in the hot, sweaty way either.


Oh I know. Its great. Hopefully they will be available to NPC corps too. Because why would anyone want to leave highsec? Bad things can happed to my stuff if I leave highsec!! Oh noes!


They are even trying to limit what bad stuff that could happen to 0.0 citadels. Magical stuff even. Upon destruction stuff instamagicly teleportrances to a location of your choosing. even titans. yeah, citadels are destructible but only to a certain degree. one that in a sense means everything is A.O.K.


What??

Dude I hope you are trolling me.

If not, I'm guessing I'll soon have access to all my stuff via my "stash". Thats good. It will make it easier to use the new guild bank and auction house features. Which, in turn, will allow me to craft things easier.

Next patch: upon having your hitpoints reduced to zero (we can't say death anymore), your pod appears at the "dockyard" and you fly it back to your ship's wreck, whereabout you respawn with all your loot. Also good. That means raid bosses will be easier as I won't have to replace all the epic and artifact weapons on my ships.


Leto, I can confirm that the 5 dev blogs I read on the subject made it 100% clear that ships and items in citadel structures WILL NOT be destroyed when a Citadel goes down. They didn't leave any room for interpretation. You will lose your pod, but all of your assets will be transported to another station. You will have to pay a fee equivalent based off the estimated market value of said assets (currently suggested to be 10%) to recover them. Even the ships inside citadels will not be destroyed. Modules fit to the citadel will be lootable, however.

Even I think that's preposterous. Wayyyyy too much.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#47 - 2015-09-04 07:59:22 UTC
so what is the point in shooting one of these new structures? just fun or rp or something else thats just completely pointless?

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#48 - 2015-09-04 08:14:31 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
so what is the point in shooting one of these new structures? just fun or rp or something else thats just completely pointless?

It is so absolutely pointless it's unbelievable. The next step is to just make your destroyed ships respawn

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#49 - 2015-09-04 08:21:11 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
so what is the point in shooting one of these new structures? just fun or rp or something else thats just completely pointless?

It is so absolutely pointless it's unbelievable. The next step is to just make your destroyed ships respawn


+1 i can finally fly my machariel through uedama with my finger out the window to all the marmites Cool

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-09-04 11:46:19 UTC
Wow.

I think that just may be the last straw.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#51 - 2015-09-04 16:40:58 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Wow.

I think that just may be the last straw.


Yup.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Yong Shin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2015-09-04 17:27:19 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Wow.

I think that just may be the last straw.


Not to kick you while you're down, but contrary to what the poster above me said, the asset safety applies to all 3 security zones, not just nullsec. Cry

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/i-feel-safe-in-citadel-city/
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2015-09-04 18:45:11 UTC
Yong Shin wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Wow.

I think that just may be the last straw.


Not to kick you while you're down, but contrary to what the poster above me said, the asset safety applies to all 3 security zones, not just nullsec. Cry

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/i-feel-safe-in-citadel-city/


Well honestly its not the Security zone that bothers me (aside from the fact it's even possible inside highsec). It's the safety. This game is built upon the idea that losing something means its GONE. Now we teleport assets so people don't lose them?

I'm not so sure I'm interested in playing the game that way.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#54 - 2015-09-04 19:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
Leto Thule wrote:
Well honestly its not the Security zone that bothers me (aside from the fact it's even possible inside highsec). It's the safety. This game is built upon the idea that losing something means its GONE. Now we teleport assets so people don't lose them?

I'm not so sure I'm interested in playing the game that way.

My understanding is that CCP is planning on having Citadels eventually replace outposts and, possibly, many NPC stations. Given that any items you have in these locations are currently safe from any danger, what they're proposing for Citadels makes sense to me; it's not adding safety, it's maintaining it, and slapping on a fee and a potential time delay as well. The risk comes not from individual pilots' items, but from the cost of the structures themselves. The XL ones are projected to cost as much as outposts or more when fully upgraded, yet be vulnerable to destruction, unlike outposts. That's a huge chunk of risk right there.

If Citadels end up only being glorified POSes though...yeah, I'd totally agree with you.

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My Many Misadventures

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2015-09-04 20:31:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Well honestly its not the Security zone that bothers me (aside from the fact it's even possible inside highsec). It's the safety. This game is built upon the idea that losing something means its GONE. Now we teleport assets so people don't lose them?

I'm not so sure I'm interested in playing the game that way.

My understanding is that CCP is planning on having Citadels eventually replace outposts and, possibly, many NPC stations. Given that any items you have in these locations are currently safe from any danger, what they're proposing for Citadels makes sense to me; it's not adding safety, it's maintaining it, and slapping on a fee and a potential time delay as well. The risk comes not from individual pilots' items, but from the cost of the structures themselves. The XL ones are projected to cost as much as outposts or more when fully upgraded, yet be vulnerable to destruction, unlike outposts. That's a huge chunk of risk right there.

If Citadels end up only being glorified POSes though...yeah, I'd totally agree with you.


Stations in sov nullsec are susceptible to being captured (EDIT: thats even worse, because you still have it but cannot GET it), and therefore assets lost. POS' everywhere are subject to being reffed and destroyed while still containing billions of ISK in assets.

Anything that is BUILT by a player should be able to be DESTROYED by another.

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