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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#21 - 2015-09-04 05:13:54 UTC
Die Unknown wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
what a garbage specs for 1200$ price tag....its good to be apple.

anywho want to play games buy game grade stuff simple.


It's worth it just for the trackpad tbh. I've yet to find a laptop to can match it.


No, not to me it does not i don't buy laptop for trackpad i do so for...other reasons.


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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-09-04 05:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Tippia wrote:
Depends on the situation, as always.

It seems smooth enough on my '13 Air on Medium, so a new Pro should handle it well enough. At most, the retina resolution might be a bit OTT but you can just dial that down.

e: Oh, right. The 13" doesn't have a discrete gpu. That will probably limit how hard you can push some of the settings — especially the post-processing ones.

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I expect 1920x1080 to work well.

Retina: 2880x1800 errmmm...no
But you cant read the letters well on a 15" mb pro. very small.
You might want a mouse, but the touchpad works well.

I have a 2012 retina 15" (company machine) and it does fine.
privat i have windows machines.

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-09-04 05:50:25 UTC
who1 eva wrote:
I have a 2015 MBP Retina and was having all sorts of serious overheating-related freezes that only went away once I installed fan control software and set it to maximum and reduced all of the graphics settings in Eve to the minimum. For trading it's a setup that works fine...

(I am pretty sure it was overheating because the CPU temperature was gradually rising until it hit 82-83C and then EVE would freeze hard. Now that I have chosen minimum settings, it never goes above 77-78C and everything is ok).


I have a usb - fan - laptopcooler for that. A socket you put the laptop on.
I bought that for a windows laptop.

http://www.saturn.de/mcs/product/_COOLER-MASTER-Notebook-K%C3%BChler-19-Zoll-NotePal-U3-PLUS,48352,1745672.html?langId=-3&gclid=CO6H0LnX3McCFc8aGwod4NALeA

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#24 - 2015-09-04 06:23:58 UTC
when I look at laptop specs it seems hard to find a match for apple. the ones that seem to match come with awful cases and low res screens. Can't speak for the trackpads. I'm looking on newegg (maybe that is the problem? It used to be good but I haven't been looking for stuff in a while). the main competitor that seems to even be trying is lenovo, and they have a few that look pretty close. That and in a few years you can sell the macbook for not bad money.

I get my portable eve fix on a first gen surface pro. It makes me never want a low pixel density monitor again. Has an intel 4000 integrated for graphics, and a low clock speed i5. The intel integrated graphics are so much better than they used to be. It works for eve, not amazingly, but works. Then again eve will work on just about anything that is somewhat recent. I mostly used it to skill queue and did a few missions.

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Kriegswurm
#25 - 2015-09-04 06:44:02 UTC
Intel HD (5500 here) works pretty well performance wise, however on my ultrabook I have heating issues. Probably can be solved with good cooling pad.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#26 - 2015-09-04 06:55:25 UTC
Word of advice - as an Apple fan boy and one who trys to follow up on the changes as much as I can.

If you can hold out for the new Intel chips and integrated GPU do so.
If not, invest in more system ram - integrated GPUs use your internal ram - the more the merrier.

I run EVE on my iMac with 512MB of ram - I run low settings and zoomed out. EVE is plenty pretty this way and no major issues with graphics.

@ CCP, is it possible for some of Mac players to get on a test server and help you all work through these issues.
p.s. - could the launcher be updated someday soon(tm) to allow us to pick the server.

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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-09-04 07:18:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
when I look at laptop specs it seems hard to find a match for apple. the ones that seem to match come with awful cases and low res screens. Can't speak for the trackpads. I'm looking on newegg (maybe that is the problem? It used to be good but I haven't been looking for stuff in a while). the main competitor that seems to even be trying is lenovo, and they have a few that look pretty close. That and in a few years you can sell the macbook for not bad money.

I get my portable eve fix on a first gen surface pro. It makes me never want a low pixel density monitor again. Has an intel 4000 integrated for graphics, and a low clock speed i5. The intel integrated graphics are so much better than they used to be. It works for eve, not amazingly, but works. Then again eve will work on just about anything that is somewhat recent. I mostly used it to skill queue and did a few missions.

You're not looking then because there are some superior options for the same money if you are focused on screens and cases.

I do admit mac book pros have some solid cases that can take some abuse. Cooling for the internals on the other hand......

I've had a dell inspiron 7520 that I got for half off years ago (brand new). I opened it up and replaced the thermal paste as generally OEMs are pretty bad at applying thermal paste properly. My machine was actually pretty well done which surprised me. Regardless assuming I'm not blocking vents it can run games with full "turbo" on the intel CPU.

Does doing that to a Macbook still void the warranty?
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#28 - 2015-09-04 07:34:09 UTC
Kriegswurm wrote:
Probably can be solved with good cooling pad.

I used to have one of those. It did lower the gpu temperature by about 5C (so down to about 80C), but the case was still uncomfortably hot. My cooling pad my have been crap, though.

Kronos probably saved my laptop's life, thanks ccp

Kinete Jenius wrote:
Does doing that to a Macbook still void the warranty?

Almost certainly.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2015-09-04 07:39:25 UTC
Raven Lee wrote:
I'm planning to buy 13inch MacBook Pro Retina (2015), and is this laptop is good enough to run EVE smoothly while every options set to "high"?


no, it will get way too hot, like burning, it will damage your mac battery as well as your Keyboard will bend, just Forget it... I tried... you could think about installing Windows on your mac and try it with the Windows Client, I heard that will make it not glow at least but still, somehow not the ideal sollution

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-09-04 09:55:44 UTC
It's not the operating system, it's the game. Eve isn't and will probably never be a native OSX game, so it will always be behind in performance on OSX.

However, that doesn't change the fact, that the hardware in that MBA is weak (especially for that price tag, but we aren't allowed to rant about that). Eve will not run reliably at high settings, no matter if you use Mac or Windows. It has a dual core i5 and no dedicated graphics card for a price of 1200€/$. On windows you might be able to squeeze out enjoyable FPS at high settings when nothing but your ship is on the screen, but that's about it.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#31 - 2015-09-04 10:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
I gave up my life in macs when i decided i liked to do a bit gaming, but a macbook air will always have high price tags because they are made for portability not gaming just like all ultrabooks.

personally i would just buy a 15" dell xps with a dedicated graphics card if you want to play any sort of game

Harry Forever wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
lol apple. PC master race even our generic laptops are better and cheaper than your overpriced TP holder.


its about the operating system


why does the operating system matter to an average computer user? (because most mac users these days are average computer users). the operating system cant be that great if it cant play games which user wants it to

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2015-09-04 10:12:49 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
why does the operating system matter to an average computer user? (because most mac users these days are average computer users). the operating system cant be that great if it cant play games which user wants it to

Because it gets out of the way and offers a more intuitive experience than the increasingly schizophrenic Windows UI does. The greatness of the operating system is not contingent on its ability to play games. If it were, Orbis OS would be the best OS ever.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#33 - 2015-09-04 10:24:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
why does the operating system matter to an average computer user? (because most mac users these days are average computer users). the operating system cant be that great if it cant play games which user wants it to

Because it gets out of the way and offers a more intuitive experience than the increasingly schizophrenic Windows UI does. The greatness of the operating system is not contingent on its ability to play games. If it were, Orbis OS would be the best OS ever.


dont get me wrong ive used macs all my life for design work, they are nice and a quad xeon macpro is a total beast, but i now use windows which i cant really fault, i dont get the hype with osx because windows 7 is a great os too.

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Durka Time
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#34 - 2015-09-04 10:35:54 UTC
If you can, go for the 15" rMBP. I have 2015 13" rMBP and it is OK but runs really hot when running EVE, the better graphics & ventilation on 15" will help a lot
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#35 - 2015-09-04 10:36:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The greatness of the operating system is not contingent on its ability to play games. If it were, Orbis OS would be the best OS ever.

The best pc OS ever was obviously TOS.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2015-09-04 11:29:43 UTC
beakerax wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The greatness of the operating system is not contingent on its ability to play games. If it were, Orbis OS would be the best OS ever.

The best pc OS ever was obviously TOS.

Well, yes, but it's been lagging behind a bit on the hardware support front… P

Lan Wang wrote:
i dont get the hype with osx because windows 7 is a great os too.

That's just because you haven't geeked out on Automator and AppleScript. Blink
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#37 - 2015-09-04 13:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
La Rynx wrote:
who1 eva wrote:
I have a 2015 MBP Retina and was having all sorts of serious overheating-related freezes that only went away once I installed fan control software and set it to maximum and reduced all of the graphics settings in Eve to the minimum. For trading it's a setup that works fine...

(I am pretty sure it was overheating because the CPU temperature was gradually rising until it hit 82-83C and then EVE would freeze hard. Now that I have chosen minimum settings, it never goes above 77-78C and everything is ok).


I have a usb - fan - laptopcooler for that. A socket you put the laptop on.
I bought that for a windows laptop.

http://www.saturn.de/mcs/product/_COOLER-MASTER-Notebook-K%C3%BChler-19-Zoll-NotePal-U3-PLUS,48352,1745672.html?langId=-3&gclid=CO6H0LnX3McCFc8aGwod4NALeA


I have cooler as well but i use it just to separate laptop from hotel bed so i dont block built in vents.it is cooler master as well and after some 6hr of heavy burn in temps constant regardless does i turn cooler on or of while that same cooler will cool my gf low end machines for at least 5-8c.

What im trying to say is if your machine cant cool it self down on its own you shouldnt use it like thatat all because cooler is more masking a problem than help fix it machine will still melt it self at the end faster then you just respect what laptop is for.

Il repeat my self want to play games buy gear for games not fashion statment.

And that apple thingy can be all the things but what it cant be is gaming/high end laptop,it just cost close to one.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Flynn Fetladral
Tempered Aggression
Seker Matar
#38 - 2015-09-04 15:06:15 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Raven Lee wrote:
I'm planning to buy 13inch MacBook Pro Retina (2015), and is this laptop is good enough to run EVE smoothly while every options set to "high"?

That laptop is definitely supported in any configuration you buy. Looking over the performance specs for the integrated GPU, it's hard to guess how it'll perform graphically. I'd say you'll probably get decent performance under conditions where you're just flying around, but it'll definitely not be a top performer in fleet fights and you may have to turn graphics settings down a bunch to make that case work well. You may also find things feel laggy when lots of particle clouds are on the screen.

Another detail to consider is that laptops with very compact form factors can have difficulty dissipating heat, and often throttle the processor for high-performance applications to ensure that the CPU and GPU don't suffer heat damage. Recent Apple laptops have been pretty good with this, but you may find that it affects EVE performance if you use the laptop in circumstances where vents are partially blocked or cooling isn't as efficient as it could be.

Hopefully someone with that exact model can chime in about specifics.

Edit: I've played EVE on much slower Mac laptops over the last few years, and it's definitely been playable. I very much doubt that I had everything set to "high," however.


I’m running the client on a 2014 MBP 15” stock top of the range config. And I’m able to run the client in High graphics though things like HDR and stuff turned off. Game runs smooth. The only thing I find that seems to be a little laggy is when you jump gates and see the new jump tunnel effect, it can stutter a little.

Oh and we used a little officer mods. KIDDING! We used a lot of officers mods, A LOT! Because we don’t :censored: around in low-sec.

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Arla Sarain
#39 - 2015-09-04 15:45:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Must it absolutely be a macbook?

xmg sells top notch laptops. For the price of £1k you will get a laptop loaded with GTX980m and i7 4*** CPU that will be overkill for EVE:O.
I can relate to needing a laptop.
But a macbook?
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#40 - 2015-09-04 15:47:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Manssell
CCP Darwin wrote:
Ultim8Evil wrote:
Well Apple haven't managed it yet, so good luck

Most of the issues surrounding Mac game performance have little to do with platform capability and more to do with how games are ported, which is in third-party developers' hands. We're acutely aware that the Mac EVE experience could be better and we're working to make it better. I wish I could offer specifics at this time, but we're not ready to do that.


Darwin, understand these comments are not directed at you but are meant about your ‘partners’ that port the game. Hell they’re not even really directed at CCP other than the willingness to let your partners give you this type of service.



So putting this statement into context just so the OP knows what they are getting into. Some of these bugs are rather major and have been known by CCP for literally 4-5 months for the new ones (and a few for a couple of years) and after the first round of can not “offer specifics at this time” on when those bugs will get fixed, you will eventually get the same response months latter like this while the bugs continue until you forget they are bugs anymore. Mac bugs become features, while bugs that affect PC users will be fixed within days or weeks.

You will also at this time not be getting the same graphic quality of the game either. A lot of new graphic improvements for some time now do not work on the mac client. CCP also knows this and can not ‘offer specifics at this time” on those either.

Basically the game will work on a mac and probably the one you want too (others have described the specs better, it is a bit weak) so if that’s the computer you want go with it, unless your buying a game specific platform don’t let a game decide for you what computer to get. But you will not have the same ‘eve experience’ as the PC players. A lot of stuff just doesn’t work or run smoothly on the Macs. We have a joke on coms where we all finish the sentence “I’m on a mac” as to why someone can’t do something in fleet as fast or as well as the PC guys (or just drops out completely). But don’t worry CCP knows about these problems but can not “offer specifics at this time” when they’’ be fixed by their partners.

Just be ready for that and it'll all be fine.
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