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Astero for Relic/Data sites?
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#21 - 2015-06-28 14:39:59 UTC
Hipqo wrote:
If all you want is to do data/relic sites, the astero isnt needed, since it cant tank or kill sleepers in thoose sites anyway, well perhaps some c1 sites, but thats about it.
Astero is really only needed if you wanna do PVP and catch people in sites or do lower level combat sites. If all you wanna do is run the data/relic site and be gone, covert ops will do a better job, as it has better scanning bonusses then the astero and can warp and align much faster.

I can highly recommend the Helios, because of the high number of mid slots and the pricetag of covert ops frigs arent big, compared to the astero.


[Helios, Null/WH exploration]

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

5MN Microwarpdrive II
Relic Analyzer I
Data Analyzer I
Scan Rangefinding Array I
Scan Pinpointing Array I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade II

Price: ~70m
Warps at 10 AU, aligns in 3,2 secs, top speed at 3299 km/s and has some amazing scanning bonusses
EHP isnt important, if you get caught you die anyway, hence fast align- and warpspeed.


Ive used this fit here alot, never ever got caught in any gate camp. Just remember to do the MWD trick, where you circle the MWD one time and instant cloak, you will be way out of bubbles before anyone is even remotely close to you or has a chance of decloaking you.
The warp speed also insured that 85%+ of people arent able to keep up with you, if you decide to burn systems to get away.

Alternatively, you could swap the Data Analyzer I for another Scan Rangefinding Array I, if you dont intend to do data sites anyway, but i liked having the option to do both kinds of sites and you already have really good scanning bonusses on the ship :)
Also, it can carry one drone.... One!! So i never use drones on it hehe, as one combat drone wont help you and one ECM drone wont do anything either. If you really want to utilize the drone bay, stuff a Salvage Drone I in there and hope you come across wrecks left behind :)

Just my 2 cents.


Looks like a solid fit, yoink Big smile

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Alleja DeSan-na
La Rapida
#22 - 2015-09-02 00:30:25 UTC
Smelly Boyhehe wrote:
I've decided to give exploration a go as my income (For my main) and now that I have the skills trained, I'm ready to give it a low in Null or WH space (Flying solo)

Everyone I've talked too suggested I use an astero. How come, though? They're a lot more expensive than t2 cov op frigates and only really seem to offer drones as a bonus.
But from my understanding, I should be avoiding any data/relic sites that contain sleepers/NPC's (Wormhole class 4+ I believe?)
Or will the astero allow me to hold my ground in the more difficult relic/data sites?


Hello.

A lot could depends by your "feeling" with the ship you will use for.
I personally prefer the Astero over the Cheetah for various reasons.

The first is that my Astero align in less than 2 ticks, the second is that she can warp 7AU/sec vs the 8AU/sec of my cheetah. So, not a lot far from it.

Another reason is that if you find a T1 or T2 explorer ship in a site, you can just throw them out and keep the site for you.
Or engage them if you are fast (bump tactics after decloack) and they are too much envolved in the hack-mini-game.

On top of that, you can carry a mobile depot and refit as you like becouse the Astero has many fit options compared with a CovOp, and with good scan skills you will not regret the CovOp bonus to probe out sites.

Anyway, I suggest that you keep a read on this topic:
http://www.toptiertactics.com/21351/eve-online-exploration-guide-choosing-your-ship/
that is a good overwiev about exploration in general and has some good hints here and there.

If you are new to WH/null exploration what I can suggest is that you keep the feeling with a T1, anyone of which is good, but if you are a veteran of WH/null don't mind, you know what you're doing.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-09-03 04:43:04 UTC
Astero:

Upsides:

1) easier to train into early - particularly a bonus if you are creating losec PI alts or covops cyno alts or are new
2) can do OK in combat (including PvP but only IF you as a player have reasonable PvP experience)

Downsides:
1) cloak reactivation is 3 x longer than a covops frigate
2) they cost a lot
Mance Pax
#24 - 2015-09-03 13:46:05 UTC
if all you want to do is travel, scan, hack relic/data sites and flee as soon as problems appear on d-scan, then your choice should be the Astero. except the price tag, it does everything better or on par with the covert ops exploration frigates.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-09-03 18:08:27 UTC
Smelly Boyhehe wrote:
I've decided to give exploration a go as my income (For my main) and now that I have the skills trained, I'm ready to give it a low in Null or WH space (Flying solo)

Everyone I've talked too suggested I use an astero. How come, though? They're a lot more expensive than t2 cov op frigates and only really seem to offer drones as a bonus.
But from my understanding, I should be avoiding any data/relic sites that contain sleepers/NPC's (Wormhole class 4+ I believe?)
Or will the astero allow me to hold my ground in the more difficult relic/data sites?

Another player desperately in need of Feyds Bumfinger Prevention and Execution Pack, with specific attention to the Exploration article.

F

Would you like to know more?
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#26 - 2015-09-03 18:33:31 UTC
Covops frigs have better bonuses for hacking and scanning, shorter re-cloak timer and are much cheaper so a loss doesn't hurt as much. Plus it's easier to fit an expanded probe launcher if you want combat probes for whatever reason.

I use a Buzzard for general exploration/hacking and have an Astero for PVP hunting mostly.
Zihao
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-09-03 20:58:08 UTC
Persephone Alleile wrote:
Covops frigs have better bonuses for hacking and scanning, shorter re-cloak timer and are much cheaper so a loss doesn't hurt as much.


Actually they have the same hacking bonus (+10) and the astero has a marginally lower probe strength bonus (37.5% as opposed to 50% @ Covert Ops V - A difference of 12.5%). Also, the cost difference is on the order of one to two decent relic sites, so while it is a non-trivial sum of isk, it's nothing to write home about.

As a young explorer, I don't really see the impetus to train for covert ops at all. It's a huge skill sink for one group of ships I won't use, at least not for a long while (stealth bomber), and another that I would only have situational use for (Covert Ops) over the astero or t1 scanning ships.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-09-04 00:59:23 UTC
Zihao wrote:


As a young explorer, I don't really see the impetus to train for covert ops at all. It's a huge skill sink for one group of ships I won't use, at least not for a long while (stealth bomber), and another that I would only have situational use for (Covert Ops) over the astero or t1 scanning ships.


Well partially true. A lot of that skill sink is to get Racial Frigate V which then opens up other options like Assault Frigates and Interceptors not just covops.
Zihao
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-09-04 03:04:16 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Zihao wrote:


As a young explorer, I don't really see the impetus to train for covert ops at all. It's a huge skill sink for one group of ships I won't use, at least not for a long while (stealth bomber), and another that I would only have situational use for (Covert Ops) over the astero or t1 scanning ships.


Well partially true. A lot of that skill sink is to get Racial Frigate V which then opens up other options like Assault Frigates and Interceptors not just covops.


Yeah, but why go through all that trouble when you get a damn fine faction frigate without taking any skills to V?
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