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How do Corps in Eve Usually work ?

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Memphis Baas
#21 - 2015-09-03 16:51:37 UTC
Corps in this game are pretty much like quilds in other MMO's; a bunch of people getting together for the purpose of accomplishing something in-game.

However, several factors complicate this setup, compared to other MMO's:

- in this game, you can steal the entire "guild bank" - all the shared gear, if you manage to acquire access

- until recently you could kill your corp-mates without warning, now there's a flag that has to be enabled by the directors

- there are no classes (tank, healer, DPS), anybody can train skills and perform any role (given time), so why would they need you

- there's no "end game", and no gear progression; you can jump into PVP, wars, incursion PVE, wormholes, whatever, without the need to "progress" first

So, as a result, corp recruitment differs a bit:

- there's less trust than in other games
- people will invite you to join based on personality and how you get along, rather than because they need healers or whatever; you can train skills to fly the ships that the corp needs at any time, so it's mostly about trust

Otherwise, making a corp function is a lot of work on the part of the leadership, so most of them suck, because most people don't have the free time to turn a game into a second job. And, EVE is a free-for-all competition PVP game, so there will be a few good corps "winning" the game, and most everyone else will be mediocre.


Hans Riesel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-09-03 23:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Riesel
API checks are done by alliance paper pushers so they feel important. They really aren't needed. You gain very little information., Cool If you are using APIs to catch a spy you are a moron.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#23 - 2015-09-03 23:10:58 UTC
Hans Riesel wrote:
API checks are done by people so they feel important. They really aren't needed. You gain very little information. Cool

API keys are often used for access authorization to corp / alliance services (web sites, forums, killboard, etc.)

Telling things are your EVE-mail history, contacts, ISK transfers, other characters (not being in enemy corps nor dealing with them), having the skills you claim you do, etc.

One friend of mine was in a large nulsec alliance, and as a joke another friend from an enemy alliance sent him a large sum of ISK. The automated tools immediately detected it, and revoked all access, and his roles were also removed until he was questioned about the ISK by an investigator.
shadowhearth Eto
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#24 - 2015-09-03 23:55:02 UTC
I hope op won't mind, but I would like to ask question here myself.

What kind of benefits would you actually get as level 4 missions pilot?

I was thinking of joining more focused Corp, but I am doing all solo amd I can't really think off what benefits I would get from joining Corp that focuses on pre. I presume incursion Corp would make sense, but other then that? I am planing on doing combat exploration when my skills get better, but even then is there any benefits?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#25 - 2015-09-04 00:03:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
shadowhearth Eto wrote:
I hope op won't mind, but I would like to ask question here myself.

What kind of benefits would you actually get as level 4 missions pilot?

I was thinking of joining more focused Corp, but I am doing all solo amd I can't really think off what benefits I would get from joining Corp that focuses on pre. I presume incursion Corp would make sense, but other then that? I am planing on doing combat exploration when my skills get better, but even then is there any benefits?

friends, company, advice, guidance, tips, tricks, contacts to other parts of the game you may not have been aware of.

Edit: thats assuming a halfway decent corp, a crap one may do nothing more than make you a target for players like myselfBlink
Sal Marshall
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-09-04 00:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Sal Marshall
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.

The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.

Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.

Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around.



Could you expand on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.

Why do you think that is important?

I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA

I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. .
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2015-09-04 00:28:20 UTC
Sal Marshall wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.

The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.

Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.

Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around.



Could you expound on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.

Why do you think that is important?

I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA

I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. .

it shows they are at least concious of security, which is good for you if the friendly fire is enabled,
it can also deter a lot of minimal effort thieves.

remember you will be bringing your own assets to the corp, so one would hope that they ask for an api at the verry least so they dont pick up some hobo that will swipe/asplode your stuff the first chance he gets.
Sal Marshall
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-09-04 00:37:11 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Sal Marshall wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.

The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.

Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.

Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around.



Could you expound on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.

Why do you think that is important?

I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA

I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. .

it shows they are at least concious of security, which is good for you if the friendly fire is enabled,
it can also deter a lot of minimal effort thieves.

remember you will be bringing your own assets to the corp, so one would hope that they ask for an api at the verry least so they dont pick up some hobo that will swipe/asplode your stuff the first chance he gets.


Thanks a ton for this response.. I had assumed that 'my stuff' was my stuff as long as it was in my own hanger.. are you referring to the shared hanger? Thanks again..
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2015-09-04 00:53:20 UTC
Sal Marshall wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Sal Marshall wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.

The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.

Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.

Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around.



Could you expound on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.

Why do you think that is important?

I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA

I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. .

it shows they are at least concious of security, which is good for you if the friendly fire is enabled,
it can also deter a lot of minimal effort thieves.

remember you will be bringing your own assets to the corp, so one would hope that they ask for an api at the verry least so they dont pick up some hobo that will swipe/asplode your stuff the first chance he gets.


Thanks a ton for this response.. I had assumed that 'my stuff' was my stuff as long as it was in my own hanger.. are you referring to the shared hanger? Thanks again..

yeah, the stuff in your hangar is safe but you would be surprised how clever people can be when it comes to these things
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2015-09-04 01:08:14 UTC
Avvy wrote:
This game differs compared to a lot in that you will get a few corps offering the chance to join them when you're in the 1st month (think I had about 6 offering), after that you don't seem to get any. Seem corps specifically target new accounts.

Not that long ago corps in Eve could not invite anyone. You had to apply to them.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Hans Riesel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-09-04 01:13:19 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Hans Riesel wrote:
API checks are done by people so they feel important. They really aren't needed. You gain very little information. Cool

API keys are often used for access authorization to corp / alliance services (web sites, forums, killboard, etc.)

Telling things are your EVE-mail history, contacts, ISK transfers, other characters (not being in enemy corps nor dealing with them), having the skills you claim you do, etc.

One friend of mine was in a large nulsec alliance, and as a joke another friend from an enemy alliance sent him a large sum of ISK. The automated tools immediately detected it, and revoked all access, and his roles were also removed until he was questioned about the ISK by an investigator.



This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2015-09-04 01:39:12 UTC
Hans Riesel wrote:

This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy.

which is most of them
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-09-04 01:47:20 UTC
shadowhearth Eto wrote:
I hope op won't mind, but I would like to ask question here myself.

What kind of benefits would you actually get as level 4 missions pilot?

I was thinking of joining more focused Corp, but I am doing all solo amd I can't really think off what benefits I would get from joining Corp that focuses on pre. I presume incursion Corp would make sense, but other then that? I am planing on doing combat exploration when my skills get better, but even then is there any benefits?

Incursion corps don't happen. It is a really bad idea. You would be permanently wardeced.

If you are just solo running level 4 missions in Eve then you are missing 99% of the game IMHO.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2015-09-04 01:51:51 UTC
Hans Riesel wrote:

This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.

API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2015-09-04 01:57:05 UTC
Sal Marshall wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Highly dependent upon the Corp you join, remember literally anyone can set up a Corp so there's plenty of incompetent and inept ones out there.

The thing I would recommend is finding one that's interests align with yours.
Preferably one that can actually defend themselves,
check their zkill board and if it's painted red with industrial and PvE fit ships then avoid,
combat fit ships would mean they at least try to fight so you might be able to have some fun.

Typical things to check/ask about would be their peak active hours, primary activities, PvP experience and for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.

Best thing imo for you to do would be hop on com's with whomever and see if you get on with them, people will make allowances if they feel they're getting to know you and like having you around.



Could you expand on this statement?: for the love of God do not join a Corp that doesn't ask you for an api key.

Why do you think that is important?

I've been an off again/on again player with a few truly terri-bad experiences with Corps.. I just came to the conclusion that most Corps were populated with jerks in love with drama.. just NOT.. MY.. CUP.. OF.. TEA

I'm older and just don't have the patience for that type of stupidity anymore.. .

I'm 44. Welcome to the old man playing Eve club.

So API checks can do a lot of things especially in the hands of someone that knows how to use them. I personally am not one of those people but I can tell you a few things. First off it makes players with ill intent have to put some effort into covering their tracks which right there eliminates probably 70% or more of them.

Another thing it can do when combined with minimum SP requirements is make sure someone has to invest money into the character and that it is not a low skill point disposable alt on a trial account.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#36 - 2015-09-04 01:58:38 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Hans Riesel wrote:

This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.

API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs.

hers a little trick our security guy told me a while back.

Did you know that award and medals show on the api regardless of if they are set to public or not?
this means that directors can actually tattoo "thief" or "****ing drama queen" onto someone and anyone can see this on the apiBlink
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#37 - 2015-09-04 02:04:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lulu Lunette
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Hans Riesel wrote:

This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.

API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs.

hers a little trick our security guy told me a while back.

Did you know that award and medals show on the api regardless of if they are set to public or not?
this means that directors can actually tattoo "thief" or "****ing drama queen" onto someone and anyone can see this on the apiBlink


A quick google search would accomplish what your API does. Good spies still get through. The 99% of spies you guys talk about would be caught with just Eve-Search, Pirate's Little Helper, Eve Who, zkill.

@lunettelulu7

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#38 - 2015-09-04 02:42:17 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Hans Riesel wrote:

This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.

API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs.

hers a little trick our security guy told me a while back.

Did you know that award and medals show on the api regardless of if they are set to public or not?
this means that directors can actually tattoo "thief" or "****ing drama queen" onto someone and anyone can see this on the apiBlink

and if I go delete my accommodations?

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Hans Riesel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-09-04 02:50:11 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Hans Riesel wrote:

This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.

API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs.



I have checked APIs for years. In all of my time I have found ONE instance that led to an applicant being rejected, and I go through everything, I can spend an entire day checking someones api. A good spy will ALWAYS slip through because there is 0 trace that is detectable with an API, only an idiot would spend so much time making a spy character to stupidly burn it with a wallet transaction.

Every time my alliance has found a spy, it has been because of their behavior or because of the forums catching them.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#40 - 2015-09-04 06:59:43 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Hans Riesel wrote:

This will only catch the absolute worst type of spy. The way you catch spies is with IT and just by watching their behavior, not APIs.

API checks and do a lot to keep out: thieves, spies, and drama queens. If you don't think so then you just are not using them well. Either that or you are one of the: thieves, spies, or drama queens trying to convince other people not to check APIs.

hers a little trick our security guy told me a while back.

Did you know that award and medals show on the api regardless of if they are set to public or not?
this means that directors can actually tattoo "thief" or "****ing drama queen" onto someone and anyone can see this on the apiBlink

and if I go delete my accommodations?

Hmm, I don't actually know...must investigate.