EVE General Discussion

I think there is some contradiction here. So you want them to develop WoD further which means putting more resources and manpower into it. Wasn't that your main argument against WiS/WoD becaus you want them to put all their workforce into EVE/FiS?

I understand that you think that the social aspect of WiS isn't something for you. I'm fine with that. Just want to say that socializing within EVE isn't the same as scoializing with people outside of the game. But it is an interesting aspect. Look at other MMO games (or even EVE itself). People are coming together in games to have partys, funerals, guild meetings, roleplay and many other things. Most of them in context of the game. It is much like having fun times with some friends, but most of your corp members you can't meet outside of the game or there are only very few occasions you can do so.
Beeing social strengthens the bonds in your corp. Of course all of that can be done without meeting with your avatars. But meeting with spaceships or to have just some portraits in a chat window is more abstract and not that immersive. Granted, avatars are still abstract. But it somewhat similar to why people are more comfortable to meet in person than to talk over the phone with each other.

Also if you really want them to finish WoD there is no reason why EVE couldn't benefit from it. What is so bad about some people playing "dress up" in station? What offends you so much about that, that you want those people to leave the game?
Think of it that way: every "dude dressing up" is a paying customer who pays money to CCP. CCP can use that money to survive and develop EVE (and their other games) further. Everyone gets something out of it.



And I ask again: what is so bad about people "dressing up" in stations? Why the hate, did they touch you somewhere or what?
And lets just assume that WiS really exists to sell "MT vanity crap". What offends you so much about that? You wouldn't use WiS, so nothing of that should bother you. As my point above: every dollar people throw away at this is a plus for CCP, it helps them to survive and develop their games further. And because of that it benefits all of us.

I have shown you that there are roughly 15% of people in favor for WiS related content in the summer expansion. To stay on your simple level that would mean it would be justified to devote 15% of their resources to WiS related content. I think I speak for many supporters here when I say that we would be fine with that.

I rarely see less than 20,000 people online at anytime. If all of those players were paying $15 a month, that equates to $300,000 a month. EVE Online wasn't just released so there has been a lot of money made. CCP could surely spare hiring a small team to work on solely on WiS.

Citation needed. I've only seen that tagline once and it was in your post. Plus, a tagline saying "EVE Online is a sci-fi simulator." is different to a catchphrase or jingle like "I'm lovin' it." (Take extra note on how it's i'm not you're).

That's funny. I thought the Noble Exchange was a failure with nobody spending outrageous amounts of AUR on vanity items until CCP gave away free AUR where everybody bought vanity items with their free AUR but never again. Do you think the introduction of interaction with other players in WiS will change anybodies mind?

Hint: Everyone still won't give a ****.

Yes, that thread IS mostly about bug fixes and re-balancing which is usually done in a patch. I and everyone else wants that done. However, there's not very much in it about adding new content which is what expansions are for. DUST514 is a different medium which is all about ground warfare that interacts with Eve. As for in station combat, there's been a lot of ideas posted in this thread pertaining to that issue.



With WiS content added to Eve, that will add more gameplay options and bring in more subscribers. WoD is NOT a futuristic space environment and doesn't relate to Eve. Personally I take offense to you calling me a WiS lover and saying I'm gullible. Considering I've been playing Eve much longer than you, I can understand your limited viewpoint. However, WiS is another avenue for Eve to expand. As for Dev resources, since WiS is now a part of Eve and CCP isn't going to remove it, the only thing left is for them to improve and add to it, starting first with the code and then later adding more gameplay options.



Well, I think you should do some research and take another look at CCP's viewpoint about Eve. They have said over and over again from day 1 that Eve is supposed to be a Virtual Science Fiction Universe, not just a spaceship simulation. Obviously it takes a little bit of imagination to see the potential gameplay content. The only bolt-on application was the NEX Store and MT which was thrown in unexpectedly, much to everyone's dismay.


The NEX Store can be removed easily enough and the MT items produced by players. As for WiS environments being nothing more than just an emote bar, that's a first step which will be followed by many more steps.

You sure do project a lot of anger and hatred. I've mentioned it before and I'll say it again. Posting a reply consisting of foul language and ranting while berating others in order to start a flame war usually results in the reply being reported and removed.

We are optimists, we can't do anything about that I'm afraid...

CCP shows incompetence sometimes and yes they need to be reminded to lift their foot off of their ****. Don't try killing the one positive thing their company has going for them though. They like to do cool **** other people won't do, just for the sake of doing it. They want a massive multi-layered gaming experience other MMO's just can't offer. It's a grand scope and it's admirable.

If you didn't want to support the grand experiment in its fullness why did you even start playing the game? It was never about "just internet spaceships" they said this from day one and you guys refuse to accept it, or anyone that does. This isn't exactly new information. If you don't want to do anything other than one aspect of the game that's fine, but don't go around telling other people they shouldn't. They aren't the ones playing the game for the wrong reason.

Not at all. Aside from my adamant opinion on WiS, I also happen to think that once CCP have finished Dust 514 and if it is a success on a old platform as the PS3 and if they are confident that they can undertake finishing WoD without bleeding dry (pun intended) financially, they should.

But I am glad that they are back on track with EVE and I am glad that CCP learned their lesson even if it came at a high price.



Great. But tell me, is this going to be a place where players are potential targets or a safe haven for players so they can socialize? Because if it is the latter, WiS really is nothing more than a dressup simulator with /emotes which has no place in EVE no matter how much you want to socialize.

I don't want EVE to be safe anywhere and that includes establishments, parties, funerals, guild meetings and what have you.



And we do all the time over comms through random chatter, bullshit or through gaming.



I already answered this, but I'll summarize for you again: I am not getting anything out of it unless I know for a fact that I can murder your toon, leave it in a pool of blood and steal your **** in "WiS". Anything less than that, well, please do hurry up and GTFO my game.

I'm sure there were forums before there was eve. But your point is good. And it's a 'free' area of expansion. We'll still have the space game so its win-win. Not sure we'll ever see an fps shooter because they have dust for that. But I'm sure we'll see something

If you want to be safe from any kind of hostile actions by another player whilst logged in, you are simply playing the wrong game. The way I see it, podding you enough times and you won't undock and at that point, I just need to stay in the same system as you and you won't undock.

And so what if I am looking for new ways to grief players?



Oh, so there has to be some kind of incentive, like a huge reward so you want to take that risk? Go play a theme park MMO and you can get the social experience that you crave and at no risk, the rewards!

But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins?

And I like both griefing and pvp, for different reasons.



I am sorry, armchair psychiatrist, I don't listen to bullshit and you are both stunningly and embarrassingly full of ****.

Well, I had rampant murdering psychotic in mind when I poked around with Alpheias' portrait so I am going take it as a compliment.

Yours could use a little work though, and I suggest go from uncomfortably queer to the badass pirate you "used to be". Unless you are more comfortable with the dress up so much that you rather look uncomfortably queer.

And somehow I manage to get your attention all the time. Gonna ask me out, m'lady?