EVE New Citizens Q&A

It really doesn't take very long to get into a logi frigate

Yes....and no.

Even as a newer player in FW, if I wanted fights all I would have to do is pretend to be a cemplex farmer, and ambush people that came to get me. This wouldn't take very long at all.

When I actually AM farming, I can expect 1-2 enemy or neutral pilots to show up in my complex every 15-20 minutes. Yes, compared to popping into a queue of LOL or DOTA2, that's a long time with not very much time spent fighting. But rush you get from those fights is much higher quality.

But I do agree that most of the people out in FW looking for fights are going to have higher SP and more ISK to throw at combat than any new player in their first couple months. That's the part that I struggle with as a solo pilot. But even having 1 extra teammate would make things a hell of a lot more interesting.

IMHO, you just have to focus your efforts on learning how and where to find the kind of combat you want. Sometimes that's going to require an investment of time, sometimes not. Either way, the feeling of personal achievement when you do get victories....yeah, you can't get that from another game.

Obviously you fail at reading sarcasm.

The concept of having skills train while you are away is nice in theory. But the time it takes to get things to level 5 is really long. If they cut the time it takes to get most skills to level V in half in most cases it would still be too long for me. Modern games that have standard MMO style level progression will usually get you to level cap in a much faster pace. Or not even level cap necessarily but to a point where you can have some fun and get into the "meat" of it. I think of SWTOR where as a level 22 character (nowhere near cap) I was able to get kills in PvP and contribute to my team with their awesome Bolster system that put me on par with end game characters. Not exactly on par, but enough to make a difference if I played well.
I understand that as a sandbox, there is no level cap and no endgame and that is a double edged sword. I can be impulsive when it comes to gaming and making decisions based on my perceptions and the perception here is that this is a massive time commitment and one I'm not sure I can hang with. People have said, "1-2 weeks is nothing to get into X ship. I had to wait 30-45 days to get into x" or whatever, and I just can't wrap my head around waiting 1-2 months to do anything in a video game. Just having that knowledge over my head, the timer staring me in the face is daunting.

As others have suggested, maybe I don't even need to wait and fun is just right out there waiting for me to find it. Well as you can see my corp label has changed and I'm no longer with Brave. I attempted to join a PvP fleet of corpmates and was met with "You need to submit an application and API key to join us". I asked why I need to submit that again after already submitting it to join the corp in the first place. Then silence and I said **** it.
Asked in corp chat if anyone wanted to join me for casual pvp...again silence. Then someone suggested I did solo PvP in FW. So maybe Brave wasn't for me, maybe I didn't give them a chance but I have limited patience for red tape and all the applications and beuracracy BS. I've now applied to what looks like a smaller corp that I'm hoping is more personal and more active in PvP. We'll see.
As of now, I've cancelled my sub to EVE and with my remaining time, have until Oct 1st to make a decision on whether or not I'll be sticking around. I appreciate everyone's feedback and it is refreshing to not get flamed or trolled. If anyting, I hope the Devs read these threads and get ideas on how to make the game more accessible for new players like myself.

EVE is fun for a few months then the missions get repetitive, you get continually war dec'ed and hunted because you're a new player, you find out you can't do several of the things you're interested in unless you play for like 2 or more years, and are constantly waiting on skills that take long wait times to turnover to find out there is more you need to unlock to get what you want and/or the skill you just spent a number of days getting is not really helping you that much anyway. I am sorry I paid for a year for this game because feeling done right... about... now.


Keep saying that as EVE space gets more and more empty.

Don't be sucked into the mindset where you feel you need level 5 before you can play. Especially when starting out, don't bother with training anything to level 5 unless it's a prereq for something you want (with a few exceptions - CPU management, powergrid management, and drones are probably the first skills to take to level 5 which you will want pretty early on). Just take your skills to 3 or 4 while you try out various things. Once you've decided what to focus on you will be more willing to invest time to max out your skills.


I remember my on my first day in EVE while I was still doing the tutorial I met a vet player flying a black ops battleship*. He told me a bit about his ship. As soon as he mentioned that it could transport other players to different systems I docked up immediately and wouldn't undock for quite some time (I was so paranoid even then ). Anyway, he mentioned I could fly one too in a year or two. I remember laughing out loud. A year? No way I'd still be playing then.

Two years later, I'm still here. Guess what? I still can't fly a black ops! Granted I could by now if I had wanted to but it hasn't been a priority. The point is, don't worry about that far into the future. Who knows if you will even still be playing. The key is to find something you enjoy doing now (or at least in the short term).

I have short term fun, medium term goals, and long term dreams. It doesn't matter what happens 6 months from now. Those are just dreams. What happens 2 weeks from now is a goal. I set it now, and stop worrying about it. Two weeks from now I will have a new toy to add to my arsenal.

The more toys in your toybox (tools in your toolbox?) the less you have to worry about what you are training. It's tough in the beginning when you have to make do with cheap toys. But you can still have a lot of fun. Go play with sticks and mud for a while. Your LEGOs are in the mail.




*I can't remember if it was a Sin or a Panther, which has always haunted me

From an outsider's perspective, I can't see how any game developer would want to force anyone out of their game for any reason. More people play and pay=more profit. Of course, no one should play a game they don't like and it would be silly to do it. The idea would be to try to attract as many as new players as possible without alienating your vet players. A tough task, I'm sure.
IF there were to be an overhaul of the entire way SP worked and length of time shortened significantly I can only see it benefiting the health of the game. Less time waiting on requisites is more time spent flying what you want or doing what you want to do. For a game, I don't think having to wait a long time to do something adds value to it. Sure, hard work and persistence pay off in real life to attain the things you want. But in a video game, you can dedicate years of your life and thousands of dollars and at the end of the day, you have nothing. Just pixels on the screen.
(But, but, EVE is REAL!) *Sorry I don't believe that. Still a game.

My corp is under a war dec right now, but they probably won't hunt me in wormholes. I'm used to being hunted there so it's not a big deal for me. Part of the fun of EVE is figuring out how to get around the baddies, who have the most human-like-AI ever.



I got this feeling kind of early on, probably my second week. Then I realized most of those things were actually accessible when I joined a good corp. Teamwork is a great substitute for skillpoints and seems to be better in most cases.



The realization that most skills have big-time diminishing returns is a good observation. It helps put the fact that training a lot of stuff to level 2 or 3 is easy and useful into perspective with your perfectionist desire to make everything max level asap.



This is one genuine beef I have with a few skills. Thankfully there aren't many of them until you get into T2 ships which I am going to avoid for a while.

@Cidanel Afuran, Exellent post. I hope he takes you up on that.

No the concept of skills training in real time is not a theory, it is and always has been a fundamental part of EvE.
CCP may change that at some point but when they do I know a very large number of veteran players that will quit because it is the wrong way for this game to go.


After a little more than 1 month in the game and you think your skills take a long time to train. Be glad you are leaving because the level 5 skills that take more than 90 days to train that are coming your way would likely cause your head to explode in frustration.


This is where you go completely off track.
We do not want EvE to be the same as all those other modern games out there. Those of us that like EvE like it BECAUSE it is different and one of those major differences is that there is no grinding to raise skills.
If you cannot get into the "meat" of the game then lower your expectations to a more reasonable level.
I know many 1 and 2 month old characters that are making significant contributions to the corps they belong to. No they cannot fly some of the fancy ships but they are contributing anyway by being willing to do what they can. It seems crazy but in some cases flying ammo runs for a fleet op can be the single most important task there is.

As a general guideline the ONLY level 5 skill a 1 month old character should even be considering would be drones 5, and even that depends on what you want to do. Yet here you are complaining about how long it takes to train level 5 skills.

Let's look at what is the "meat" of this game for new players like you.
1. coming to terms with the way this game works instead of complaining and asking for it to change to what you want it to be.
2. focusing on getting a solid base set of skills trained to support the things you want to do in the future.
3. learning some of the more important parts of the game like using your d-scanner.
4. getting some solid understanding of some of EvE's concepts like active tanks, passive tanks and buffer tanks.
5. understanding how and when you should use each of these types of tanks.
6. what are the strengths and weaknesses of each of these tanking methods.
7. weapons types, what are the strengths and weaknesses of each.
8. fitting your ship, how and why to use the various modules and rigs.
I could go on but these are the basic concepts, building blocks if you will for EvE and these are the "meat" that you as a one month old player should be working on and the skills required to work on these things are quick and easy to train.

EvE is complex and it is expansive in ways that very few other games are.
EvE is not for everyone and it likely never will be.
And most importantly EvE is a game that rewards patience and careful planning more than simply spending hours at the keyboard shooting things.

So maybe in the end you are not the right type of player for EvE.
Then again if you accept this game on it's own terms and work with it instead of spending all your time thinking about how it is not like every other game you may just end up liking it.

Basically this.

... and enjoy your journey, the endless journey, because this is EvE. There is no "endgame" or ultimate setup, you need to redefine your gameplay and leave your comfort zone regularly to not get bored or burn out.

I'm having some difficulties to understand the attitude of "can't do this, why playing then...", I never felt the lack of options or things to do during the first 6 months. Everything was new and so much to learn&try and so little time to play. Skillpoints never were a topic in the beginning (it's a bit different now as there are no low level skills left ...), I trained everything a bit and finally started specializing in certain ships I liked and exploration. What I have to admit is that I was "socialized" with the X-series and never played an MMO before EvE.