EVE General Discussion

Lottery = 100% chance based . It's neither PvP nor PvE. Even if I knew all contestants, it wouldn't change a thing. What next on your list ? Beauty pageants ?

We have explained how one trader can manipulate the market or deny trades ... not going over this again.

Have you been around when some miners needed to have explained to them that the minerals they mined are not free just because they didn't spend isk to get them ? This discussion reminds me a lot of that. Opportunity cost is real.

We were talking about how your supposed competitive PvE had no PvE in it, defeating any attempt at distinguishing it from PvP, at which point you started asking completely unrelated and incoherent questions that need to be clarified.

So clarify them by answering the question: at what?

This strikes me as interesting since the $20 option is now better than the 2 PLEX option.

Sorry, I have to protect my sources. I need to call my lawyer. I'm not saying anything without my lawyer.

Back on topic:

Winning / Losing doesn't always take a binary form of either winning or else losing. In war you can win a battle and lose the war.

For the market it's easier to imagine a backwater system low-sec, null-sec ... rather then Jita. Remember the example I gave with me selling shuttles in low-sec ? Me, selling all the shuttles I had on the market and then denying sales to the guy who had bought and relisted them ... I think that's a clear win for me.

There are billionaires who manage to do the same in an actual market-hub.

Basicall every profitable sale you make = you win
every profitable sale somebody else makes, by offering below your price = you lose, they win
every unprofitable sale you make = you lose even more

Keep in mind that you don't have to get scammed or type in a zero to many or to few. It's enough to overestimate demand or underestimate other traders capacity to list sell orders below your price or buy orders above your price.

If you don't believe us, head over to market discussions and as them

My last post since I finally have Eve installed and can delete this toon. My response is to the original poster from my perspective as to why I left Eve after over 10 years: I like PVE, and Eve always had a place for it. Slowly over time, to what seemed to me an attempt to keep PvPers and gankers happy, CCP stopped fighting against griefing and started allowing it. Safe PvE became less and less possible without taking great strides in protecting yourself from griefers. My last resort was hauling, but not in a player corp - because until recently Awoxxing would happen. So I had to stay in a NPC corp and do contracts... until Hypedunking. After an unsuccessful hyperdunking against my freighter, I realized that I'm just tired of where this game has gone. The idea of trusting no one while at the same time making in a world where you have to be able to rely on someone else to survive is illogical. Just reading the forums and reading how quick this community is to defend griefers and griefing says a lot about the quality of character this game retains. This game is not for me. I won't miss it for a second, and the community here won't miss me or anyone like me. Have fun scamming, exploiting and griefing each other. That's Eve's legacy now.

Actually, that too is PvP, as long as there are other human participants.

If we are referring to choosing X numbers out of Y, which are then rolled out of a random spinning wheel, its technically PvP. All players are subject to the same environmental constraints and odds are equal. However if 2 players both get the same number of right numbers, the winnings are split between them, which means the players are, after all, in direct competition with each other for a finite resource. The amount of players hence directly affects the degree of winnings, through increased competition for those winnings, if they "play as good as you", by getting the same result right as you.

If we are referring to a raffle lottery, in which the more tickets you buy, the more your odds of winning increase, it is again PvP. By buying more tickets than other players, you remove those from the market, and increase your own competitive edge against theirs, towards a finite resource. Same also goes for scratchcard lottery, in which the choices of which cards you buy, remove those from the pool, and ultimately also removing winning tickets from the total available to other players. In both cases, if theoretically you buy ALL the tickets, or are the only participant, then only you win, meaning it is competitive based on other PLAYER participation (not on any non-human participant), in everycase where you have not bought them all, or are not the only player.

As to your point:

An example of a PvE lottery, is slot machines.
There you put in your money, and hit the button, and there is no competition for or division of your winnings by other players, and it is entirely determined between you and the artificial non-human random mechanism.

Answer the question: at what?

Have fun in whatever games you play in the future

Lottery is actually a poor example in the general. One where a selection of numbers is chosen and anybody can select those are essentially competitive pve. True your share drops, but that is essentially a tie.

Stuff like a 50/50 can be PVP cause only one has a number. The person who buys more is a better chance of winning. Investment is the ammo.

Oh I have. This is also going on for more than 8 pages. You better start reading back. Tippia has so far conceded twice and I have stopped taking her seriously. She has repeatedly failed to provide proof and is refusing to answer my questions. Now she is answering in a language I cannot read. I can only take that has her third concession.