EVE General Discussion

Clearly, demotivating one player is my top worry before I quit a game after over a decade. Please tell me more on what I'm doing wrong when I quit Eve.

I'm deleting this toon/account permanently. I don't want/need skill points. I don't want/need real life money. My character is a part of me, since I've been playing him over a decade of my life. He will be deleted as it is what I wish and what would please me most. There will not be any returning to Eve for me.

You might want to keep one foot in the door. I can understand why, after a decade, you'd want a break. I'm a casual. I'm not good at the game. I'm probably never going to be ~relevant~ by any accounting.

That's OK. I go for actual relevance in my day job. I don't live EVE. I've never tried to and I never will. I'm still here, because neither space relevance nor space riches are motivators. I have friends in EVE. I play a few hours a week to run around with them.

And it's certainly possible to be a casual PVE player in EVE. You have to be on your toes a bit, so you just make that part of the fun.

Sad to hear you are leaving from the same reasons as I am and probably many others are. I have not yet biomased my pilots but it will happen as soon as I get a negative response on my reimburse request. It's a bitter-sweet feeling thinking of that moment when I will pull the plug on everything acomplished since 2008. Hope CCP reconsiders, tho it's been 7 days allready with not a single response on my ticket - I hope that is a good sign. Keeping hope high here o7

You are persisting on "having to lose a ship in combat" to define PvP as PvP.

There are various levels of risk in ship combat. I'd say WH and 0.0 are riskier to fight in than Highsec. But that is just my opinion.

What is true, is that a station trader has zero risk of losing a ship in space. This does not however mean that the market is an environment per se. It means that the station trader has cut out all the risks that industrialists, haulers and people who just sell off some loot and buy new mods have.

You said it yourself: "Traders are merely competing with other traders" making it player vs player.

The additional "spot in the market environment" is unnecessary, because you want to emphasize "environment" to sneak your PvE in. When I position my ship in space thats an environment and it doesn't make my actions by default PvE. So as a trader I set my stakes and observe what other traders do. I'm not independent of what other players do.

More important the actions of the trader have consequences on other players aswell, including ship combat enthousiasts. During the alliance tournament, it was commentated that some alliances would try to guess what opponents would want to field. They would then try to buy up all available items of that type either drying up the market or listing them again at a marked up price.

How did you lose your stuff?

If you are a 'victim' in a video game, your leaving is no losss to anyone. The only people who use the term 'victim blaming' are people who don't like to take responsibility for their actions. And yes, it's your job to keep up with game changes.

You played a game that doesn't really fit into what you want (and never really has) and yet somehow that's the games fault? No it's not, it's yours.

Since my post on this was bottom of last page, it is most assuredly missed.

Got some wierd fact for you.

Back in the day... we didnt have things like killboards... or stats, and had these funny things called.... dial up modems for multiplayer. It was real awesome when a router came more available on market so you could... hook more than one computer together!!!! Having a "record" does not make it pvp.... Well it does, but not player vs player. Stats and records just makes it peen vs peen.

Trading there are losses. It is not imaginary isk. People can without undocking force others to take losses. You are saying because somebody uses a tool, that tool makes it an environment. I kill people with ships in Eve. Must be PvE cause the ship is doing the work?

Lets make market trading function exactly the same... but without the market page...

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Hundreds of people doing that same thing... everywhere. That is what the market, and brokers, and returns is. It is a "STOP SPAMMING!" function.

There is plenty of loss in markets. A person is investing time and quite potentially getting no return. Investment is not restricted to isk. PvP is entirely one person's actions affecting anothers directly. Competitive PvE means only that players are independent of each other and only the final score matters.

Example:

PvP:
Players in a racing game racing on a track together
First person shooter arena combat

Competitive PvE
Players in a racing game doing Time Trials
First person shooter solo vs bots for best score

How does this relate to markets? When I change a buy order to undercut, my actions affect YOU! Directly. I am a player, competing against another PLAYER! Not NPC buy/sells. You are confusing using a tool with it being the game environment. There is zero game environment involved in the market. If I has the isk, I could put any trader right out of business by forcing a loss on all items til they stop trading.

Traders buy and sell items. Therefore if somebody wanted, they can FORCE a loss on another. Player A buys a bunch of ship hulls from an industry person. Suddenly the selling price of said ships is less than what bought for. Therefore is a loss. Recordable in the wallet. Happens more often than you think, market manipulation.

So were you superhyperdunked, or are you just complaining about something that isn't an exploit?

Yeah, yeah. For the entirety of EVE existance people come with delusions of importance brought from the experience of other games or other deluded people.

And if you really know EVE, you know this was never a solo or casual friendly place, EVER.

But you can try to indulge on self pity as long as you like. People does that all the time.

"Oh, I lost stuff, the game is not what it used to be."
"Oh, they exploded my ship and I did nothing, I gonna quit."
"Oh, they were mean in the chat and ccp didnt do nothing, I gonna quit."

And other some such "everyone has to make me the epic hero in this game every other game does".

There is always one of those around.