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CCP The Phoenix needs a Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher ASAP.
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WALAMOSHU
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-08-31 11:39:49 UTC
No IFs and or BUTs about it. The Phoenix needs a Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher now CCP. Make it happen so the Phoenix can be a BOSS for once.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-08-31 11:57:45 UTC
Since OP asked for no IFs or BUTs, I'll provide ORs:

Or it needs one of its legit targets to become relevant again, so that Phoenix could shoot it, that target being battleships.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
WALAMOSHU
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-08-31 12:01:06 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Since OP asked for no IFs or BUTs, I'll provide ORs:

Or it needs one of its legit targets to become relevant again, so that Phoenix could shoot it, that target being battleships.


Me thinks Sleeper BSs are in plentiful supply atm.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-08-31 13:26:07 UTC
Apparently you haven't seen this then.

After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2015-08-31 16:26:24 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Apparently you haven't seen this then.

After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.



That's terrifying.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2015-08-31 16:34:18 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Apparently you haven't seen this then.

After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.



That's terrifying.

It was also mildly nerfed for obvious reasons.

Still.... taking 3 to 4 citidel torpedo volleys rather than just 2 is still pretty good considering that one does not need to account for tracking or have much in the way of support.

How did you Veterans start?
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2015-08-31 16:52:57 UTC
WALAMOSHU wrote:
No IFs and or BUTs about it. The Phoenix needs a Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher now CCP. Make it happen so the Phoenix can be a BOSS for once.


It all-ready is the best dread for blazing...
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2015-08-31 17:02:39 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Apparently you haven't seen this then.

After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.

AWESOME! You found it again! Shocked I was looking for that for so long after it got deleted on Twitch. Thanks a lot for that! Big smile

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WALAMOSHU
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-08-31 22:10:00 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Apparently you haven't seen this then.

After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.


I intend to use it for soloing C5s, not hot dropping a bunch of T1 sub-caps. This thing would die horribly in a C5.

BTW, this Phoenix pilot had to run with his tail between his legs when the Nag showed up so I don't really see the epicness of this vid.
Zura Namee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-08-31 22:32:44 UTC
WALAMOSHU wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Apparently you haven't seen this then.

After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.


I intend to use it for soloing C5s, not hot dropping a bunch of T1 sub-caps. This thing would die horribly in a C5.

BTW, this Phoenix pilot had to run with his tail between his legs when the Nag showed up so I don't really see the epicness of this vid.


Go try to solo some subcaps in any other dred and report back to us.
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-08-31 22:48:35 UTC
WALAMOSHU wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Apparently you haven't seen this then.

After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.


I intend to use it for soloing C5s, not hot dropping a bunch of T1 sub-caps. This thing would die horribly in a C5.

BTW, this Phoenix pilot had to run with his tail between his legs when the Nag showed up so I don't really see the epicness of this vid.


Find a Nag(or other dread) fitted to kill subcaps and drop a anti-capital fitted Phoenix on it, see what happens :P
Crimson Draufgange
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#12 - 2015-08-31 22:50:23 UTC
WALAMOSHU wrote:
No IFs and or BUTs about it. The Phoenix needs a Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher now CCP. Make it happen so the Phoenix can be a BOSS for once.


Good job providing valid and well thought out reasons to support your proposal. Phoenix is good enough as is imho, especially after the missile changes.

0/10, would downvote again.

My Velator is overpowered.

"I use my hairgel to tackle my targets because it has a long lasting firm hold." - Me.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#13 - 2015-08-31 23:17:21 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
You had me shaking my head at "Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher". I didn't think it would get any worse, but then you went and said "I don't really see the epicness of this vid".

1/10

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2015-09-01 03:23:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
WALAMOSHU wrote:
BTW, this Phoenix pilot had to run with his tail between his legs when the Nag showed up so I don't really see the epicness of this vid.

Fit up a battleship designed to effectively nuke frigates and destroyers while holding its ground. Such a fit would not be able to kill another battleship that has been fit to kill a battleship.

The same idea applies here. It is VERY effective at blapping and holding out against sub-capitals... not so much other capitals.
(see: tradeoffs have to be made... it is extremely hard to make an "all rounder" ship that can perform well against many different ship classes)


The epicness of that video comes from the fact that...

- no SANE person would risk a 2.2 billion ISK ship to do that... at least... not without some kind of sub-capital support (the guy in that video only had an off-grid T3C providing Warfare Link Support).

- dreadnoughts are, by design, supposed to be quite terrible against sub-capitals without substantial sub-capital support. This guys proved otherwise.

- he survived despite really terrible odds.

How did you Veterans start?
Luscius Uta
#15 - 2015-09-01 06:53:02 UTC
I don't support OP's idea, but Citadel Cruises need some love. Their explosion radius and velocity is only marginally better than Citadel Torps an their DPS is abyssmal. This makes their long range the only advantage they have over Citadel Torpedoes, so they are only viable only if the target (subcap or not) is out of range of Torps.

On a somewhat related note, we need some Faction/Officer Missile Guidance Computers/Enhancers.

Workarounds are not bugfixes.
WALAMOSHU
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-09-01 06:57:14 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
WALAMOSHU wrote:
BTW, this Phoenix pilot had to run with his tail between his legs when the Nag showed up so I don't really see the epicness of this vid.

Fit up a battleship designed to effectively nuke frigates and destroyers while holding its ground. Such a fit would not be able to kill another battleship that has been fit to kill a battleship.

The same idea applies here. It is VERY effective at blapping and holding out against sub-capitals... not so much other capitals.
(see: tradeoffs have to be made... it is extremely hard to make an "all rounder" ship that can perform well against many different ship classes)


The epicness of that video comes from the fact that...

- no SANE person would risk a 2.2 billion ISK ship to do that... at least... not without some kind of sub-capital support (the guy in that video only had an off-grid T3C providing Warfare Link Support).

- dreadnoughts are, by design, supposed to be quite terrible against sub-capitals without substantial sub-capital support. This guys proved otherwise.

- he survived despite really terrible odds.


Hmm, guess I didn't realize how bad Dreads are suppose to be at killing sub-caps. Understandable since one of my mains just started flying the Phoenix. After playing around in EFT, I found some really delicious armor tanking fits for the Phoenix. Now let me test this weird rascal on SiSi.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#17 - 2015-09-01 15:38:25 UTC
blap phoenixes already slap down logistics cruisers and such in a volley or two...

Throw some Targetpainters and webs on them and a single citadel torp volley will make them explode
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2015-09-01 16:09:28 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Apparently you haven't seen this then.

After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.



That's terrifying.


I own one and "improved" upon the fitTwisted
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-09-01 16:16:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Apparently you haven't seen this then.

After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.



That's terrifying.


I own one and "improved" upon the fitTwisted


How much is it dependat on your enemy being a little stupid and staying within web range?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2015-09-01 16:28:20 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Apparently you haven't seen this then.

After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.



That's terrifying.


I own one and "improved" upon the fitTwisted


How much is it dependat on your enemy being a little stupid and staying within web range?


Zero.
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