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Why did the eve empires of old have no blue donut?
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voetius
Grundrisse
#41 - 2015-08-31 21:11:06 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Cyrina FaithWeaver wrote:
If thats truly the case then why has it been such a big problem only recently, ie the past 2-3 years? why are people bitching about it then.

NAPfests

hah that's one of the main ones I remember.


apart from what Tippia said "nullsec cabals or blobs or NAPfests " the only one missing that I can recall is napTrain. But I think Tippia is right that the OP isn't really interested in the answer to their question.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#42 - 2015-08-31 21:28:51 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Sigh...

A lot of misinformation in this thread.

the large alliances DID have blue doughnuts, only they were smaller. Most started shortly after the downfall of ASCN to BoB in 06.


Back then we had, what was called the Pet system. The large group with teeth tended to make lessor alliances 'bend the knee' as it were, to them. BoB owned huge swath of space and had pets in the south.

At the time, eve was more or less split into three quarters, North was led by the Nothern alliances, making up the Nothern Coalition. East was lead by the fountian alliance (later coalition) The south was split by the GBE who ruled Delve, Qutiouios. And then the Southern coaition.

BoB has a Pet alliance that governed Qurious for them, Known as FiX, which was part of the splitting of Xtec just before Exodus hit. After the fall of ASCN the sotuher coalition was a bit chatoc for a bit and had to dela with the russian menace. Bob Occupied Period Basis, then left the south alone to move east.

Eventually, the south destroyed themseleves, and Goons and other groups were able to take it.

Then came the abomination of sov, known as coltalation sov, which helped move aliances to consolidate and control there stuff more easily. FiX fell to the combined Southern Coalition, lead at the time by AAA and IAC, and the nothern Coalition, lead by Razor.

Anyway, blue doughnuts always exisited. And the agreements we have now were battle forged, much like other have said. Its an evoloutuon of government, and will most likley eventually fall.

I rambled meh



Are there any breakdowns on the history of alliances in Eve during the lifetime of the game? I would be interested in reading that.




There is a book being written right now, a kick starter from last year on it.. i think it covers from launch till 2010.. hold on...

yea here it is http://www.evehistory.com/ you cna preorder a copy. The guy who wrote it, did a presintation at fan fest last year which you cna see here EVE history presentation hes a damn good story teller and i am glad i aided his kick starter. it should be a great book

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#43 - 2015-08-31 22:03:52 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
And that is why capitals were a terrible idea from the start.

Carriers and dreadnoughts are arguably "okay" right now. Sure, they need some balancing (biggest might be carriers restricted to fighters), but they have counters other than more carriers and dreadnoughts. Post Phoebe jump fatigue has been both a boon and a bane to their usage.

Supercapitals are in a very bad place post Aegis-sov. Their proliferation lead to this, and Aegis-sov for that matter. I can't imagine a workable solution because of their numbers.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#44 - 2015-09-01 03:44:45 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Sigh...

A lot of misinformation in this thread.

the large alliances DID have blue doughnuts, only they were smaller. Most started shortly after the downfall of ASCN to BoB in 06.


Back then we had, what was called the Pet system. The large group with teeth tended to make lessor alliances 'bend the knee' as it were, to them. BoB owned huge swath of space and had pets in the south.

At the time, eve was more or less split into three quarters, North was led by the Nothern alliances, making up the Nothern Coalition. East was lead by the fountian alliance (later coalition) The south was split by the GBE who ruled Delve, Qutiouios. And then the Southern coaition.

BoB has a Pet alliance that governed Qurious for them, Known as FiX, which was part of the splitting of Xtec just before Exodus hit. After the fall of ASCN the sotuher coalition was a bit chatoc for a bit and had to dela with the russian menace. Bob Occupied Period Basis, then left the south alone to move east.

Eventually, the south destroyed themseleves, and Goons and other groups were able to take it.

Then came the abomination of sov, known as coltalation sov, which helped move aliances to consolidate and control there stuff more easily. FiX fell to the combined Southern Coalition, lead at the time by AAA and IAC, and the nothern Coalition, lead by Razor.

Anyway, blue doughnuts always exisited. And the agreements we have now were battle forged, much like other have said. Its an evoloutuon of government, and will most likley eventually fall.

I rambled meh



Are there any breakdowns on the history of alliances in Eve during the lifetime of the game? I would be interested in reading that.




There is a book being written right now, a kick starter from last year on it.. i think it covers from launch till 2010.. hold on...

yea here it is http://www.evehistory.com/ you cna preorder a copy. The guy who wrote it, did a presintation at fan fest last year which you cna see here EVE history presentation hes a damn good story teller and i am glad i aided his kick starter. it should be a great book


Excellent! Thanks!

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#45 - 2015-09-01 07:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Torgeir Hekard
Duh.

Because when EVE started, there was obviously no blue donut.

And there are people who would blue up and those who would not.

And the former fare better than the latter in the long run. Simply because you get more power by blueing up. Regardless of game mechanics. You know, as they say, friendship is the best ship.

So, errr, over time the blue get bluer, so to speak. Simply by virtue of not breaking up. You could even see it as a survivourship bias of sorts - the blue donut of today is those blues who managed to stay blue longer than their adversaries.

It's kinda inevitable evolution of the game community.
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