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Mineral Hauling Advice

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Dale Liathain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-08-20 20:40:21 UTC
Just before I was headed across the world for a wedding, i cued up long resesrch and manufacturing jobs on my three toons. I just started industry, so it is only T1 production, but i loaded up my mineral industrial with what i needed for these month long jobs and found, just as i undocked from jita, i was carrying 130 million in base minerals.

No one seemed to notice, but i wonder if i am toying with a danger zone doing such hauling in my T1. Is there a general value amount to worry about witth T1s or are large hauls of generally low value items less attractive to ganks?

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2015-08-20 21:21:37 UTC
There really is no minimum that will prevent a T1 Industrial gank (or any other ship for that matter).

If you are concerned, then aim for a Deep Space Transport, which are much sturdier (up-to freighter-class EHP).

I have 5 Charon (and 3 Rhea) primarily for hauling Tritanium, as I use so much.
Godess Superior
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-08-20 21:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Godess Superior
Dale Liathain wrote:
Just before I was headed across the world for a wedding, i cued up long resesrch and manufacturing jobs on my three toons. I just started industry, so it is only T1 production, but i loaded up my mineral industrial with what i needed for these month long jobs and found, just as i undocked from jita, i was carrying 130 million in base minerals.

No one seemed to notice, but i wonder if i am toying with a danger zone doing such hauling in my T1. Is there a general value amount to worry about witth T1s or are large hauls of generally low value items less attractive to ganks?



Depends on the mood of the gankers. I have seen them explode catalyst on pods and shuttles.
The general rule of thumb is 1x or 1.5x the cost of the hull.

Also invest in Blockade Runners or DST. Gankers dont like to play with those as they are usually too much effort. T1 haulers are just free target practice and killmails
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#4 - 2015-08-20 22:35:28 UTC
Just fly smart.

Check the map for 'Ships/Pods Destroyed in the last Hour'. If your route takes you through a hot system, either do the run later or pick a different path.
Have a corpmate (or alt) scout you/web you to warp.
Load up those lowslots with Warp Core Stabs.

And never forget Rule #1: If you can't afford the loss, don't undock.

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Alhira Katserna
Deep Space Exploration And Exploitation
#5 - 2015-08-21 00:17:43 UTC
You can haul a billion worth of minerals in a T1 Hauler if you follow 3 rules:

1. Instant Undock Bookmarks! Learn how to create them and then create one on every station you have to visit.
2. Instant Dock Bookmarks! Much more easy than the one above, although there can happen bad things if they´re too close to a station.
3. MWD + Cloak Trick! Learn it! Practice it! Even if there is just a lonely frigate on the gate or even nobody.
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#6 - 2015-08-21 01:32:32 UTC
Dale Liathain wrote:
Just before I was headed across the world for a wedding, i cued up long resesrch and manufacturing jobs on my three toons. I just started industry, so it is only T1 production, but i loaded up my mineral industrial with what i needed for these month long jobs and found, just as i undocked from jita, i was carrying 130 million in base minerals.

No one seemed to notice, but i wonder if i am toying with a danger zone doing such hauling in my T1. Is there a general value amount to worry about witth T1s or are large hauls of generally low value items less attractive to ganks?



What Tau and Alhira said... Instant undocks are pretty good, but it may take several attempts to get a working bookmark.
I usually use a Blockade Runner for small, expensive stuff and a DST with a buffer and active tank for hauling. Since they get a big bonus to overheating, a pure passive buffer seems a bit of a waste, and I never fly those on autopilot.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#7 - 2015-08-21 14:20:15 UTC
or you can use Red Frog or some other hauling service if you would like to use them as insurance.
Oriella Trikassi
Trikassi Enterprises
#8 - 2015-08-21 15:52:31 UTC
Curiously my freighter has never been fired at leaving the Trade Hub - but my DST has! The Occator is easily mistaken for a T1.

I suspect the combination of T1 and low end minerals would result in gankers ignoring you, at least at Trade Hubs, unless they were really bored. "Another noob will be along in a minute" thinking there. Wandering through Low Sec would be a different matter.

The advantage of a DST is that it has a separate Cargo Hanger and can devote all its low slots to defence, warp stabs and turn faster things - which is good since it flies like a sloth otherwise. And yes, practise the Cloak Trick so you can do it without thinking.
Tupac ice
Ascension Mining and Other Activities
#9 - 2015-08-22 04:05:22 UTC
There use to be a soft rule of '100' mil in a T1 Indi - that sort of covered the 50% drop to make blowing them up worth while. Now there is less focus on that.... as so many guys just carry way too much!

If you insta-dock and insta-undock you will be alot safer - let me know if you are unsure about these. You next most vulnerable piece to consider is alpha ganks and smart bombs at gates. If you try and keep the value low, the alpha gank shouldn't be an issue if you MWD/cloak (lots of other people carrying way more). The smart bombs, sadly may just get you no matter what you do.

T2 haulers are excellent and if you are going to be doing this hauling for yourself in the long run, train into them (or an alt). at max skills you can carry 60,000m3.

Who the hell is this Tupac guy.... And what would he know?

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CHAD Stetille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-08-23 14:25:35 UTC
Couriers... Always use couriers. Spend a little Isk and let the professionals worry about it.

BOB is my Co-Pilot.

Damnskippy
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-08-28 04:43:58 UTC
I would advise against blockade runners unless you're going to be paying full attention all the time. People will gank those just on the chance you're carrying something good.
DST's on the other hand, are a wise investment. They have good cargo holds independent of fittings which leaves you free to properly fit the low slot mods. Also, they are notoriously difficult to gank if you are actually flying them. They have great tanks, can align fairly fast, can fit a damage control and can do the MWD+ cloak trick.
Anything you can't fit in a DST, use Red Frog or courier contracts. Let them bear the risk.
Malik Atild
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2015-08-31 05:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Malik Atild
Damnskippy wrote:
I would advise against blockade runners unless you're going to be paying full attention all the time. People will gank those just on the chance you're carrying something good.
DST's on the other hand, are a wise investment. They have good cargo holds independent of fittings which leaves you free to properly fit the low slot mods. Also, they are notoriously difficult to gank if you are actually flying them. They have great tanks, can align fairly fast, can fit a damage control and can do the MWD+ cloak trick.
Anything you can't fit in a DST, use Red Frog or courier contracts. Let them bear the risk.

As for the blockade runner, they don't actually get ganked that often. Except for some edge cases, gankers want to know it's worth the risk. Pile that on top of them being extremely difficult to catch, and they are a very good investment. Of course OP will have to spend extra ISK on compressed ores if he wants to get anything done in a reasonable time frame.

E: then again, looking at DSTs, they seem to be ganked because of terribad fits and overvalued cargo. So I guess it depends on the pilot.
Careby
#13 - 2015-08-31 18:03:17 UTC
Malik Atild wrote:
As for the blockade runner, they don't actually get ganked that often. Except for some edge cases, gankers want to know it's worth the risk. Pile that on top of them being extremely difficult to catch, and they are a very good investment...


Blockade runners are extremely difficult to catch only if flown correctly. They are pretty easy to catch and kill if flown carelessly. Whenever I see a blockade runner sitting at a gate I have to wonder why in the hell the owner chose that ship. I should only see him for a second as he starts warp and immediately cloaks. Undocking from a station, I should not see him aligning in some direction other than the undock vector. Use insta-undock bookmarks so you can get cloaked quickly! If you aren't willing to get in the habit of always hauling safely, it's just a matter of time before you get popped. And even an empty BR is not something I want to lose.

I'm not saying it's wrong to fly casually, or even to use autopilot if that's what you really want to do. But the blockade runner is not the right ship for it.

Disclaimer: I have lost two blockade runners so far. They were unfortunately not empty. I make mistakes, and then I try not to repeat them.

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2015-08-31 21:06:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Malik Atild wrote:
As for the blockade runner, they don't actually get ganked that often. Except for some edge cases, gankers want to know it's worth the risk.

Yea! My empty Crane is an "edge case"!

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