EVE General Discussion

Drifters gained sentience & turned against CCP, launching attacks against their servers. This forced CCP to push the Big Red Button to stop them.

Well... if you fit your raven with a proper number of officer mods, you will eventually get a lot of catalysts to mess with for sure. And since by the end of the day all said catalysts would be dead, I suppose we could call that op success.

On a serious note, doesn't PVE mostly require the same SP spending as PVP? I mean, aside from propulsion jamming, it's the same fitting and DPS skills, no?

I've recently watched a video about a solo null-roaming Raven with RHML and a neut, it killed a prot . :|


It would be better (and have more subscriptions) if, as any good sandbox should, it did not have any single "real game" to it. Why try to force everyone into one mold when you can just provide room for everyone, all in the same world, with easy transition from one activity to another?

For people who like PVP most, PVE is already a mean and nothing more. In fact, EVE pve is so bad that 90% of it can only entertain you when you are new to it.

Why is that? Wouldn't the game benefit from having more subscribers? Even if a lot of them would really never show up outside of highsec (which rarely happens), they would still buy and sell from markets, create game items and redistribute them. Most importantly, if they are playing the game, there's much higher chance that eventually they decide to change their main activity, than if they never started playing because from the start they were forced to do things they don't like.

It's a sandbox, if some people want to opt out from this particular thing that you are doing, it's okay: there should be enough room for everyone.

You didn't counter anything.

People change and so do their play-styles. I've seen it occur many times. It's occurred with me too. Sometimes it's a growing up thing. Sometimes it's external factors such as a job change that causes change to occur.

So there is "something" that can change the personality of a highsec dweller to hit nullsec. That something can be anything from boredom to friends. Recently a friend of mine who has been nothing but an industrialist has caught the PVP bug. This dude couldn't even run missions because of lack of skills. I got him to run along in some frigate roams and now he's all about PVP. YOU would of written him off as a highsec player that will never change because of "inate personality" (direct quote) but yet he did change after years. I've seen this happen hundreds of times since beta. Kinete is dedicated to RMS and assisting newbies for that reason.

My story is one of a null player turned highsec player due to a rage quit and life interfering. My mains are highsec dwellers and get called carebears. My gank alts on those same accounts are not called carebears. I create content when I roam null/low/WHs because unlike nullbears I am there to lose my ships and hopefully have a good fight in the process. I pay for this with my highsec fleet runs on the carebears. You would call me a highsec player that will never change because of my "Inate personality" if you met my fleet in game. Never knowing that I had a whole other fleet of pvp capable characters that I roam with.

What I'm saying is you should be very weary of making such broad assertions as you did in the original post. Stereotyping vast groups of people will just result in ignorance on your part.

I thought the idea would be that CCP is creating more challenging PVE content by having the Drifters probe around before the actual Incursions, allowing them to discover any easily exploitable weaknesses the players discover and patch those up. That way, the actual Incursion is more of a challenge.

The challenge now is that you have to be a genuinely skilled and experience pilot to take on the Burners and the Drifters, rather than just utilizing an easy-to-exploit weakness to earn easy ISK.