Crime & Punishment

The social corps that CCP have been talking about (corp lite, in your example) are terrible and whomever came up with the idea should be forced to read Jita local for an entire work day. They're just going to de-centralise the problem known as NPC corps, which should have been scrapped before they were implemented.

The only thing YOU know how to use in player corporations is group hangar, bookmarks, and the dubious honor of using a POS.

Let me say what is the "only" things I see in use for Corps that NPC corps dont offer:
- Insurance: You can insure ships from corp members, and as the corp receives the insurance, they can implement private insurance plans being aware that their members lost ships. So they can reward most proeminent members with insurance of their own.
- In a mission running corp or section, you can see which of your members are contributing more to the corp, in thus, offer incentives for people who contributes more. You can for example use 1% tax, and when a member gets to a given ammount, you give back the taxes plus something to get them interested.
- In the same way of missions, you can do trading incentives, pvp incentives, ratting incentives, and anything the directors and auditors can have data on.
- You can separate your members in groups for each region, making specific contributions in missions, trading or hauling be rewarded, or give more managing powers to them.
- You can create subsectors of your corporation, effectivelly creating something like distinct adminstrative groups that run indepently and do all the above by themselves.
- You can create trading markets for your members using private contracts, making the corporation run organized while you dont need to be 24/7 online managing it.
- You can contract people outside the corporation to do things your corp dont do with the insurances that they wont damage your structure, at the same time you can have delegated people to watch over them.
- You can use the things you listed as useless little things corps can do, to manage other ideas you have you know what they can be used for, instead of hoping the tool works the way you want to do what you want the way you want.
- And you can pretty much control over everything above from the corp interface.

Edit:
I forgot to mention that you also can do the things NPC corps do, like giving missions using contracts, or bounties, kill rights, and etc ... And gather data for standings implementation.

And of course, you can profit 40bil a day when you know how to invest using your corporation.

You could also do most of those things using chat channels and mailing lists. Those aren't things the corp is adding, those are things the leadership (and excellent leadership I might add from the sounds of it) are adding. I'd like to see corporation mechanics adding benefits to its loyal members.

And you can also play MMORPGS using Word and Excel and your imagination.

Now, what I mean by that is that this is not an argument, it is just an inflamatory post that bears no actual improvement to the issue at hand.

The thing is: IF you want the system to provide things, that is what NPC corps are for. You are not making private corps better by taking the controls and decisions on how to benefit your members from the private interests who run it.

Corporations in EVE are as interesting as their management makes them, period.

I am not going to speak for anyone else, but I'd like to address this.

You are both 100% right...and 100% missing the point.

It is up to corp leaders and corp members to make a corp interesting. Boring people tend to make for boring groups, and I imagine that people would have a hard time arguing otherwise. On the other hand, people who are interesting, creative, and willing to put forth some effort to make their corp a fun place to be will tend to form interesting and fun corps. You are 100% spot on here.

But that is not at all the reason why I'm proposing changes to player corps.

Under current mechanics, player corps can simply disband and reform with the net result being that the new corp is identical to the old corp in all but name. There is no inertia to current player corps, no motivation to stay in one place. If some adversity that corp members don't want to tackle comes along (i.e. hostile wardec), they can simply run away with minimal consequence. This is counter to the nature of EvE, and the proposed changes to player corp mechanics are to make player corps an actual investment with real mechanics-based benefits, not just a place where creative players can form interesting corps.

In essence, it's not about making player corps more interesting, it's about making the interaction between player corps more interesting*, because right now, it's far too easy for such interaction to be very boring.


*(And adding some further benefits to player corp membership, but that's a means, not an end.)

That is the point. Once you start taking away the decision making process from those people WHO DO make their corps attractive, you are essentially taking from them what makes then different. Then, as you said, creative people wont stop there, they will make MORE advances that are possible currently, and someone gets to ask those to be made a automatic thing, thus escalating until there is nothing left for players corps to do except be clones one from another.

I dont blame you, because most people do deffend the game being like they want because of their own reasons. What I see is that a corp is not fun or usefull because of what specifically it offers, but how they differentiate one from another.

The more you get things to be automatic, the more boring you make the whole thing.

I think that corps need to have more resources, but I dont see how making them standardised will help in any way make the WHOLE community more interesting.

I think I missed something here. What have I proposed that takes anything away from a CEO's decision-making process? Giving CEOs actual mechanics-based benefits to keeping members in a corp and active doesn't remove any options that I'm aware of, it just adds consequences.