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Lvl 4 Missions: Golem, Rattlesnake or Vargur?

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#21 - 2015-08-27 23:06:53 UTC
with arty Dread Pirate is 10m bounty :p

considering I'm not sure thrashers could even catch up to my mach. Oh look they go about the same speed, with less warp speed. Also for how long I'm in most missions they pretty much need to get a scan off and warp in to have an attempt. And that is just counting the missions where I mostly sit still. For most other missions I'm way off the warp in, or moving at speed. A bastioned marauder is imo an easier target. My real fear is a bunch of nados waiting on the other side of a gate. at which point out of bastion most marauders have almost the same tank, as my mach. Jori's mach fit is a bit shinier than my tastes, but could easily swap a mod or two for more tank, which for the npcs really isn't even needed. gist boosters are insane on the shield/cap ratio.

dual boxing is way too much effort, have to click everything twice. If I'm dual boxing I'm semi afk in a drone or missile boat on an alt in another system.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#22 - 2015-08-29 15:02:25 UTC
Helena Huntress wrote:
Would you use a flight of light drones, or would 2x Gecko's work for killing frigates?

How much active tank is enough? If i'm looking at eft, and i set the damage profile for say blood raiders, what sort of EHP/sec should i be aiming for?

I am not sure what ship the others are speaking about when they answer this but the only sub-cap ships that have the bandwidth for 2 geckos in space at the same time are the Domi twins and the Ishtar. At 50 bandwidth the Rattle gets 1(one) gecko in space at a time. The only advantage I ever found to the Geckos when flying a Rattle was the omni damage capability, that means that you can be lazy and not change drones as often if you are looking for max damage. However a set of damage specific mediums is actually more effective than a single Gecko.

Tank is personal thing. For a blitz ship I would be looking for around 600 to 700 and as much DPS as possible to start. After you get used to the ship etc I have heard of blitzers that have as little as 400-500 so they can have more gank. Obvioulsy faster ship you can get away with less tank, while a slower ship will require more so you will have to experiment to see where you are comfortable.

With that out of the way I would agree with others, due to it's slow nature and the fact that it is a drones ship the Rattle is a poor choice for blitzing missions.

In your current level 2-3 blitz you may find an Ishtar to be a better option than the Gila. A little slower but that is more than made up for by the wider array of drones you can carry with you specifically sentries. While your medium drones are slow boating to a target the Ishtar simply launches sentries and commences killing. And when you have to switch the 5 mediums from an Ishtar are just as effective and just as fast as your 2 drones in the Gila. Another benefit of the Ishtar is it bonuses ALL drones while the GIla only bonuses the mediums so on that rare target that you need lights they are more capable out of the Ishtar. Just some thoughts for you to consider.

If you are a min / max and looking to make ISK after LP conversions then I suggest you run level 3 SOE in a speed fit Mach.
I hate the blitz mission style so I am not the most efficient at it but with a Mach I was able to top 80 mil per easily and consistently.
Many players state that they routinely top the 100 mil mark so if you are a seasoned blitzer I suggest you look into this as alternative to blitzing 4's.

Here are some links to similar questions asked around here.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=427956&find=unread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=408949&find=unread
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#23 - 2015-08-29 15:25:46 UTC
Don't forget the Stratios - it can also field a pair of Geckos.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#24 - 2015-08-30 00:27:52 UTC
mach can run 2x geckos, 100/125 bandwidth/bay. I would guess a few other BS could as well, but cba to go through and look right now.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#25 - 2015-08-30 11:06:44 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
I am not sure what ship the others are speaking about when they answer this but the only sub-cap ships that have the bandwidth for 2 geckos in space at the same time are the Domi twins and the Ishtar. At 50 bandwidth the Rattle gets 1(one) gecko in space at a time. The only advantage I ever found to the Geckos when flying a Rattle was the omni damage capability, that means that you can be lazy and not change drones as often if you are looking for max damage. However a set of damage specific mediums is actually more effective than a single Gecko.




There are other ships that can field two Geckos you know, aside from the Ishtar and Dominix.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#26 - 2015-08-30 16:14:44 UTC
Ships that can use 2 Geckos:

Armageddon
Armageddon Navy Issue
Hyperion
Megathron Navy Issue
Dominix
Dominix Navy Issue
Maelstrom
Typhoon
Typhoon Fleet Issue
Nestor
Vindicator
Macherial
Bhaalgorn
Redeemer
Sin
Myrmidon
Eos
Stratios
Vexor Navy Issue
Ishtar
Proteus

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#27 - 2015-08-30 16:44:31 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Ships that can use 2 Geckos:

Armageddon
Armageddon Navy Issue
Hyperion
Megathron Navy Issue
Dominix
Dominix Navy Issue
Maelstrom
Typhoon
Typhoon Fleet Issue
Nestor
Vindicator
Macherial
Bhaalgorn
Redeemer
Sin
Myrmidon
Eos
Stratios
Vexor Navy Issue
Ishtar
Proteus




You obviously forgot the Guardian-Vexor RollRollRollBig smile

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#28 - 2015-08-30 22:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Apparently no more Geckos (CCP Fozzie @ATXIII), so I guess enjoy them while they last (or are at least affordable).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#29 - 2015-08-31 13:35:13 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Ships that can use 2 Geckos:

Armageddon
Armageddon Navy Issue
Hyperion
Megathron Navy Issue
Dominix
Dominix Navy Issue
Maelstrom
Typhoon
Typhoon Fleet Issue
Nestor
Vindicator
Macherial
Bhaalgorn
Redeemer
Sin
Myrmidon
Eos
Stratios
Vexor Navy Issue
Ishtar
Proteus




You obviously forgot the Guardian-Vexor RollRollRollBig smile


I usually don't even count those as not everyone has access to them.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#30 - 2015-08-31 13:36:25 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Apparently no more Geckos (CCP Fozzie @ATXIII), so I guess enjoy them while they last (or are at least affordable).


Awesome. Will make my stack of them more valuable.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#31 - 2015-08-31 14:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Estella Osoka wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Apparently no more Geckos (CCP Fozzie @ATXIII), so I guess enjoy them while they last (or are at least affordable).


Awesome. Will make my stack of them more valuable.

Inb4 they change their minds and their pet players mysteriously sell off their stocks the day before the announcement.

No, you can't have my tinfoil hat, I made it myself so I know theres no brainwave reading chips in it. Wake up Sheeple!

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#32 - 2015-08-31 15:45:52 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
No, you can't have my tinfoil hat, I made it myself so I know theres no brainwave reading chips in it. Wake up Sheeple!

When did they release hats?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#33 - 2015-08-31 19:34:12 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Apparently no more Geckos (CCP Fozzie @ATXIII), so I guess enjoy them while they last (or are at least affordable).


Awesome. Will make my stack of them more valuable.

Inb4 they change their minds and their pet players mysteriously sell off their stocks the day before the announcement.

No, you can't have my tinfoil hat, I made it myself so I know theres no brainwave reading chips in it. Wake up Sheeple!


I'm expecting some for Christmas or something. There was also a rumor they would show up in the gurista LP store. Anyways I have a stack that should last me forever given the rate I use rattlesnakes. Also Augmented Ogres are pretty reasonably priced and do more raw damage than a Gecko with the same sized bay.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2015-09-06 23:31:25 UTC
Geckos are not actually overpriced for the utility of them as yet BUT two Gecko will certianly add a lot to the viability of your mission ship as a gank target.

One trick with the Rattler Gecko if your lazy is put them on aggro and follow them about in close orbit with FoF missiles in the Rattlesnake.

That said I actually tend to use a dominix in semi-afk lazy mode and the rattler when I am paying attention and at the keyboard.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#35 - 2015-09-07 02:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Thank you to everyone that pointed out my error on ships that can use 2 Gecko.

Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Geckos are not actually overpriced for the utility of them as yet BUT two Gecko will certianly add a lot to the viability of your mission ship as a gank target.

With gecko running between 120 and 150 mil each in the 4 big trade hubs and you state they are not overpriced yet. One has to wonder what you would consider overpriced?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#36 - 2015-09-07 03:01:09 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
With gecko running between 120 and 150 mil each in the 4 big trade hubs and you state they are not overpriced yet. One has to wonder what you would consider overpriced?

They were overpriced once they went over $10-million ISK.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#37 - 2015-09-07 13:29:57 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
With gecko running between 120 and 150 mil each in the 4 big trade hubs and you state they are not overpriced yet. One has to wonder what you would consider overpriced?

They were overpriced once they went over $10-million ISK.

They were overpriced the moment they hit the market, but I was really looking for what Hasikan Miallok thought would be overpriced.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#38 - 2015-09-07 20:42:27 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Ships that can use 2 Geckos:

Armageddon
Armageddon Navy Issue
Hyperion
Megathron Navy Issue
Dominix
Dominix Navy Issue
Maelstrom
Typhoon
Typhoon Fleet Issue
Nestor
Vindicator
Macherial
Bhaalgorn
Redeemer
Sin
Myrmidon
Eos
Stratios
Vexor Navy Issue
Ishtar
Proteus




You obviously forgot the Guardian-Vexor RollRollRollBig smile


I usually don't even count those as not everyone has access to them.



Your sarcasmo meter is not working, I see

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-09-08 05:18:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Bumblefck wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Ships that can use 2 Geckos:

Armageddon
Armageddon Navy Issue
Hyperion
Megathron Navy Issue
Dominix
Dominix Navy Issue
Maelstrom
Typhoon
Typhoon Fleet Issue
Nestor
Vindicator
Macherial
Bhaalgorn
Redeemer
Sin
Myrmidon
Eos
Stratios
Vexor Navy Issue
Ishtar
Proteus




You obviously forgot the Guardian-Vexor RollRollRollBig smile


I usually don't even count those as not everyone has access to them.



Your sarcasmo meter is not working, I see


if we want to get really silly you can add to that list:

Skiff
Rorqual
Archon
Chimera
Thanatos
Nidhoggur
Aeon
Wyvern
Nyx
Hel
Revenant
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#40 - 2015-09-08 18:56:16 UTC
supers cant use drones smaller than fighters now, also the Skiff only has 50m3 of bandwidth so can only use 1 gecko. the carriers can however use a bunch, and that just sounds scary, although potentially cost prohibitive at this point.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

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