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Bhaalgorn - Useful in mission running?
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Zozoll Neblyn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-08-30 02:55:48 UTC

I've trying to use a Bhaalgorn to run L4 missions with pretty poor results. Is it just plain not the right ship for that? With a Nightmare I can clear them out really fast from a distance and then close in and loot.

With a Bhaalgorn I guess I could fit long range lasers also, but then the ship's main benefits get lost because I won't be near enough to web or drain anyone.


What do you use a Bhaalgorn for? PVP?
Romvex
TURN LEFT
#2 - 2015-08-30 03:25:22 UTC
The Bhaalgorn is usually used with no turrets because of how powerful its neuts are, unless you are in a small gang where dps is needed. It receives no bonuses that would make it even slightly viable for PVE since it has pitiful damage and no bonuses to tank. And no, the nos role bonus does not work on rats since they technically have no cap. Basically it is strictly a PVP ewar battleship and you should stick with the nightmare.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#3 - 2015-08-30 04:34:24 UTC
Zozoll Neblyn wrote:
What do you use a Bhaalgorn for? PVP?


A Bhaalgorn's primary use is sucking capacitor out of capital and supercapital ships.

In PvE, Bhaalgorns are sometimes fielded by Incursion fleets, usually for their Webs more than their Neuts. As for mission running, they are just flat out not designed for that task.

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Zozoll Neblyn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-08-30 04:50:41 UTC

I didn't realize rats had no cap. I was wondering why I couldn't get the frigates to stop webbing me even with all three caps focused one frigate.


Do I also not get the boost to my own cap from draining them?
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-08-30 04:51:01 UTC
Zozoll Neblyn wrote:

I've trying to use a Bhaalgorn to run L4 missions with pretty poor results. Is it just plain not the right ship for that? With a Nightmare I can clear them out really fast from a distance and then close in and loot.

With a Bhaalgorn I guess I could fit long range lasers also, but then the ship's main benefits get lost because I won't be near enough to web or drain anyone.


What do you use a Bhaalgorn for? PVP?


Not for PVE that's for sure, use a NM.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#6 - 2015-08-30 05:19:31 UTC
bhaalgorn is an even more pure pvp ship than the barghest.

as far as NPCs and cap goes there are tons of misconceptions, and outright lies.

what I know is that NPCs operate independent of their cap. What this means is Npcs will continue to shoot/rep/ewar if you neut/nos them.

what I'm not quite sure about: how much cap NPCs actually have. I know I've used nos on npcs and received cap in the past. but I have no idea how much cap they have, or how draining them works out. As far as I'm concerned they don't have enough that using a nos makes sense in pve. use the highslots for something else.

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Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-08-30 18:17:40 UTC
Zozoll Neblyn wrote:

I've trying to use a Bhaalgorn to run L4 missions with pretty poor results. Is it just plain not the right ship for that? With a Nightmare I can clear them out really fast from a distance and then close in and loot.

With a Bhaalgorn I guess I could fit long range lasers also, but then the ship's main benefits get lost because I won't be near enough to web or drain anyone.


What do you use a Bhaalgorn for? PVP?


The nightmare has 10 effective turrets to the bhaalgorn's 8. The nightmare also has a tracking Bonus which while vested by a web does not have to wait precious seconds to slow the target down.

It's ok but other ships are just better at missoning.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2015-08-30 20:54:01 UTC
The Daemon ship is a pretty Damn scary thing to see fielded in PvP,
hilariously inept PvE boat though.

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-08-30 21:39:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
I was flying bhaal in missions for a while. I was using a standard active rep tank with nanopumps rigs. Dual web to catch smaller targets while drones chew them. And the only thing caused me to use it for missions is because i do love the Dark Blood faction a lot. Same thing about Ashimmu, one of my fav ship. Simply love it.Bear

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-08-30 22:07:59 UTC
You can use it in PvE, it just won't perform as well as other ships since it's bonuses are not really optimised for that.

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nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#11 - 2015-08-31 03:11:21 UTC
Romvex wrote:
And no, the nos role bonus does not work on rats since they technically have no cap. Basically it is strictly a PVP ewar battleship and you should stick with the nightmare.


NOS bonus does work on rats, and yes npcs DO have cap, they don't use it for any ewar, armor or shield reps.

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php there's a list of p much any npc ship in game and it's attributes
Allaera
Kalmincon
#12 - 2015-08-31 05:07:19 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
And the only thing caused me to use it for missions is because i do love the Dark Blood faction a lot. Same thing about Ashimmu, one of my fav ship. Simply love it.Bear


Same here (on both counts) and with the availability of skins we can now run a Blood Raiders Paladin Twisted
Zozoll Neblyn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-09-01 01:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Zozoll Neblyn
I think I can't resist the challenge now that I've heard all of this.

The strategy I want to try now is to use sentries. Deploy the sentries, and then orbit them at just about the limit of my webs, and when the small ships come close to me or them (either one) I figure they'll either be far enough from me so I can track them, or they'll be far enough from my sentries so they can track them.

But I think I need to get my sentries skill up a bit. Can't use T2 sentries yet.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2015-09-01 02:14:01 UTC
no challenge, just inefficient.

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Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-09-01 08:53:01 UTC
For the lulz and giggles some EFT warrior'ing using (mostly) DB when possible for rolling in style:

1x Dark Blood Large Armour Repair
2x Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membran
4x Dark Blood HS

1x 500MN MWDII
2x Dark Blood Stasis Webifier
2x Tracking Comp II

4x Mega Pulse Laser II
3x Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu

Rigs
1x Large Aux Nano Pump II
2x Large Aux Nano Pump I

or

1x Large Energy Burst Aerator

2xGecko

905 dps @ 57km+20 with scorch (948 with LEBAII) and drones, 659/702 pure guns

tanks 251/370 omni.

no implants

Not so bad as it might have seemed.
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#16 - 2015-09-01 16:14:50 UTC
not for lulz, i fly bhaalgorn (tachyon) for L4 for caldari navy.
its just equal to navy armageddon without need to learn amarr BS to IV-V.
also you have 3 free high slots, so you can fit salvager/tractor beam/drone link.
middle drones (infiltrator/valkyrie) works best than heavy/sentri.
600 dps is ok for L4, but some ships do it fasterBig smile
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2015-09-01 19:16:55 UTC
Elsa Hayes wrote:
Not so bad as it might have seemed.

not so bad, but still not as good as other options. I'd much rather have the damage and tracking bonuses of the nightmare, or the range and damage bonuses of the paladin. Or just a mach, because never not mach in missions.

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Zozoll Neblyn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-09-02 02:53:00 UTC

Besides the Nightmare still has two free high slots. So you're only gaining one free high slot.

Bhaalgorn is such a stylish ship! And too expensive to PVP with at this stage in my career. I am liable to lose it, without gtting enough kills to feel good about it. For PVP I'm still at the "better bring a cheap ship" stage.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-09-02 03:46:59 UTC
Zozoll Neblyn wrote:

Besides the Nightmare still has two free high slots. So you're only gaining one free high slot.

Bhaalgorn is such a stylish ship! And too expensive to PVP with at this stage in my career. I am liable to lose it, without gtting enough kills to feel good about it. For PVP I'm still at the "better bring a cheap ship" stage.



Ashimmu my friend. One of the best support ship for small scale gang.

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Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-09-02 06:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsa Hayes
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Elsa Hayes wrote:
Not so bad as it might have seemed.

not so bad, but still not as good as other options. I'd much rather have the damage and tracking bonuses of the nightmare, or the range and damage bonuses of the paladin. Or just a mach, because never not mach in missions.


As far as tracking is concerned use your dual webs, 28km range. People made it look like the Bhaal could do jack in pve, "hilariously inept pve boat" someone said, which is absolutely not the case. Yes some ships do it better but then again some ships do it still worse, a lot worse, that was the entire point. The reason why the OP had very poor results was probably due to him not fitting the ship right.

Are there better options out there? Certainly!
Is the Bhaal the worst pve ship as some people made it sound? Certainly not.
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