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Should EVE Online be reset?

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Dror
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2015-08-30 13:51:12 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
New engine first, then reset.

Most development studios would say that anything possible with a fresh engine is possible as is.

The problem with EvE is that actually editing the code is apparently problematic because of documentation. It seems humorous how many games with modding get thousands of pages of mods but no fan, engine port -- especially with all of the free engines worth implementing (and the limitations on modding with most games).

"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
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ISD Alliance
#202 - 2015-08-30 17:16:23 UTC
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Whitehound
#203 - 2015-08-30 18:49:49 UTC
No.

Doing the same thing again and expecting a different outcome would be insane.

The game is a living, changing thing. If you are having regrets then do something different.

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Feawen
Cambridge Mountain Rescue
The Monarchy
#204 - 2015-08-30 19:24:22 UTC
I mean sure it's a living thing, but a lot of games go through a reset and come out on the better end. I am not sure why EVE should be considered different.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#205 - 2015-08-30 19:29:37 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
No.

Doing the same thing again and expecting a different outcome would be insane.

The game is a living, changing thing. If you are having regrets then do something different.
I don't think the resetters want a reset for a different outcome, I'm pretty sure they are wanting a repeat on early PLEX prices of ~200m isk so they can play for free with minimum effort. If 90% of the existing players uninstall over it, well a small price to pay for their PLEX.

I'm in it for the money

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#206 - 2015-08-30 19:57:32 UTC
If you want to reset then i want my money back for couple of 7 years pronta. + te extra kost of wasted time i spend in eve so how about NO?
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#207 - 2015-08-30 22:22:17 UTC
Look at gameloft, a mobile developer.

They design mobile games based off console games for the most part, but they have 8 asphalt games and 5 dungeon hunter games.


It seems they know how to milk games in early stages but it doesn't provide a solution for a long term game.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#208 - 2015-08-30 22:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Hal Morsh wrote:
Look at gameloft, a mobile developer.

They design mobile games based off console games for the most part, but they have 8 asphalt games and 5 dungeon hunter games.


It seems they know how to milk games in early stages but it doesn't provide a solution for a long term game.

I bought one of their b2p mmo's before. Didn't play it much then uninstalled, mostly because of my poor internet connection back then as a mobile connection wouldn't work for their mobile game (I had 4g but only 3g would work, or landline). Later reinstalled with a better connection (landline) and started playing again, but man was that community terribly toxic! I mean it was just down right nasty. Then I figured out it wasn't b2p any longer but went fully f2p. Uninstalled. I won't buy their games, or even f2p.

I'm in it for the money

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#209 - 2015-08-31 01:49:41 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
No.

Doing the same thing again and expecting a different outcome would be insane.

For one we wouldn't need t2 bpos

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Anthar Thebess
#210 - 2015-08-31 10:29:01 UTC
Scalding wrote:


But... after a few weeks I would grow tired of training the same basic skills again so would probably just quit.

THis.

Trained JDC V on 5 chars , now working on FB V Roll
No way i will do it again.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#211 - 2015-09-01 00:29:50 UTC
Resets mainly attract a flurry of new churn players looking for the latest shiney thing to play for a few months.
Zozoll Neblyn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#212 - 2015-09-01 00:50:53 UTC

Is this a reset where everyone gets to keep their skills? Just loses all of their property?


Why not make a second server, where your charcter can choose to go there with no property, and be stuck there?

Like a second Eve gate opens up, and it's a one way ticket to some faraway place where nothing has been built?



Or another possibility: create a second server with a whole second null, but it is located somewhere that is "cut off" from the main server. So when you take your character there you actually log off and log back on again in the other server, and you're now in a whole different system?


Then everyone is happy. The people who like the current server would stay. The people who want a new fronteir would go.
K'tar en Tilavine
Galactic Trade Undertaker's
#213 - 2015-09-01 11:28:18 UTC
Zozoll Neblyn wrote:

Is this a reset where everyone gets to keep their skills? Just loses all of their property?


Why not make a second server, where your charcter can choose to go there with no property, and be stuck there?

Like a second Eve gate opens up, and it's a one way ticket to some faraway place where nothing has been built?



Or another possibility: create a second server with a whole second null, but it is located somewhere that is "cut off" from the main server. So when you take your character there you actually log off and log back on again in the other server, and you're now in a whole different system?


Then everyone is happy. The people who like the current server would stay. The people who want a new fronteir would go.

Not a second Server, but a new universe - one way acess with an given char (for PLEX costs) or a new blank char direct in this universe.
So you may have chars on 1 account in different universes, like high SP missionrunner on New Eden, and something new on the second universe.
This should run on the actual serverhardware as a new giant region which is not direct acessible.
So this will have less additional costs for CCP and will rush a bunch of new players to eve i think.

K'Tar

I really love this idea!
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#214 - 2015-09-01 11:31:13 UTC
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Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#215 - 2015-09-01 13:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Alessienne Ellecon
Reset EVE? HELL NO.

I had the most interesting conversation last night with a corpmate who was actually a player who had been playing EVE since it was in open beta - in 2002. According to her, the first major changes were wrought by players who completely altered the economy (and actually made Jita and Amarr into the trade hubs they are today) and saved EVE from dying.

You want to reset the entire EVE universe? Sure, as long as you're prepared for a New Eden where:


  • Yulai is the only trade hub
  • It takes a solid week just to make a couple million isk
  • There are no fancy 3D toons or walking in stations (which people still do, by the way, despite the gutting of Incarna)
  • You have to use a rather cumbersome interface with little or no manual control
  • Space mines, apparently one of the most exploitable weapons in EVE history, are available for purchase for peanuts
  • There's no CONCORD-backed security system. You think CODE are bad? Try getting repeatedly ganked by anyone, anywhere, anytime, with zero recourse.
  • There's no planetary interaction
  • There's no SKINs


So much of the good stuff would be missing, and it wouldn't necessarily solve your problems.

Want asylum from CODE? Go to Solitude, or better yet, join my player corp when the Citadels are released.

Want something done about the Imperium and Goonswarm? Form (or join) some frakking PvP alliances, tool up and take them on yourselves. The goons are actually quite bored and would like some 'gud fites', they're just waiting for you to get off your sorry butts and show up in Providence.




Bunch of whiny carebears. Goddess preserve us.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#216 - 2015-09-01 13:13:08 UTC
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Reset EVE? HELL NO.

I had the most interesting conversation last night with a corpmate who was actually a player who had been playing EVE since it was in open beta - in 2002. According to her, the first major changes were wrought by players who completely altered the economy (and actually made Jita and Amarr into the trade hubs they are today) and saved EVE from dying.

You want to reset the entire EVE universe? Sure, as long as you're prepared for a New Eden where:


  • Yulai is the only trade hub
  • It takes a solid week just to make a couple million isk
  • There are no fancy 3D toons or walking in stations (which people still do, by the way, despite the gutting of Incarna)
  • You have to use a rather cumbersome interface with little or no manual control
  • Space mines, apparently one of the most exploitable weapons in EVE history, are available for purchase for peanuts
  • There's no CONCORD-backed security system. You think CODE are bad? Try getting repeatedly ganked by anyone, anywhere, anytime, with zero recourse.
  • There's no planetary interaction
  • There's no SKINs


So much of the good stuff would be missing, and it wouldn't necessarily solve your problems.

Want asylum from CODE? Go to Solitude, or better yet, join my player corp when the Citadels are released.

Want something done about the Imperium and Goonswarm? Form (or join) some frakking PvP alliances, tool up and take them on yourselves. The goons are actually quite bored and would like some 'gud fites', they're just waiting for you to get off your sorry butts and show up in Providence.




Bunch of whiny carebears. Goddess preserve us.
I'm 99% sure they mean reset the characters, not roll back all patches and go back to the old version of the game. So same game, clean slate. Either way, no since the majority of the playerbase wouldn't come back.

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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
Ore No More
#217 - 2015-09-03 09:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: u3pog
You must be joking OP. I don't have supers, yet it is easy to predict what will happen - all null sec alliances pissed, huge player base leaving the game and for what? To appease the new players who could switch to another mmo anytime and cutting veterans off? This is not Diablo, where you simply reset the ladder...

It took years for the game to reach this state.
Avvy
Doomheim
#218 - 2015-09-03 09:09:08 UTC
u3pog wrote:
You must be joking OP. I don't have supers, yet it is easy to predict what will happen - all null sec alliances pissed, huge player base leaving the game and for what? To appease the new players who could switch to another mmo anytime by cutting veterans off? This is not Diablo, where you simply reset the ladder...It took years for the game to reach this state.



It's never going to happen.


Only way they could do it is to make EVE 2. But even that is really pointless as a year or two down the line you would need EVE 3.
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Galactic Rangers
#219 - 2015-09-03 09:45:35 UTC
this call for a reset is nonsense and will never happen, OP you need to think about what you type on here before you hit post.
to those holding out wishing it will happen,, get a grip on yourselves.

but hey OP if you want a reset so bad then hit delete character and create a new one,, there ya go, reset.
that's about the only reset you'll get around these parts.

I'm curious though, OP are you pretty new to EVE? because you seem to not have a clue about the game you play.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#220 - 2015-09-03 10:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Once again:

Simply NO!

OP does not have the slightest idea what storm would break loose.
PLEX bought via isk might be one thing.
But i also have PLEX bought with Real Money still on my account.

I would not only loose in game stuff i would loose my investments, that i made into EvE.

A reset and i would be gone for good.
You would just loose a big amount of the regular player amount AND you will NOT get more new players playing EvE, since EvE hasn't changed. EvE really would be dead.

And if you do NOT reset everything, this reset would be worthless, since entities with a lot of PLEX to rebuy stuff and keep or even enlarge their SOV.
EDIT
Hell, EVERY PLEX in existence has been paid by real money.
If this reset would happen, i would legaly demand my PLEX repaid repaid to me with real money. I would get legal assistance and sue the hell out of CCP. So would do others and CCP might even get broke over that.

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