EVE General Discussion

ccp should finish Walking-in-Stations and make that part of the game free2play as a way to hook players into the eve experience. just being able to get a taste of the cutthroat pvp and trading would convert a lot of people into paid pilots. The free2play part can be restricted to trading new set of items and new types of pvp. ps: i'd like to see anti-boosters. train Hiding in Shadows up and then inject an enemy pilot with a toxin that gives the opposite effects of a booster drug, for when they undock later. Or maybe a tracking bug so you can track that hauler down after he's left jita.
Take "dont undock if you dont want to die" and add "dont leave your CQ if you dont want to die".

also, sov as we know it needs to change from the ground up. the map shouldnt show 'sov' the way it is now, but instead just what allince is most active in the area. base it on kill:loss ratio in the system maybe? if you want a system to show up as yours, you need to have the most players and/or kills in that system over a prolonged period.

nullsec outposts should be captured by shooting them, breaking them into pieces, and become unusable until someone repairs the parts and makes it habitable again, and whoever made those repairs gets to gain control of the station

also, every time you buff concord or make a change to limit highsec ganks, you're just reaffirming people's false notion that eve is a place where they can safely collect things. Concord did fine 5 years ago and its not doing any better now. you've only forced gankers to work in greater numbers, resulting in ships being destroyeyd a lot faster, and then victims read that as "its too easy to gank in highsec now" and you continue to add to the problem with more concord buffs. stop pandering to them & most of them will man up and enjoy the game for its ruthless nature.

I dont see a giant outcry about scammers really. Sure theres complaints abuot 'annoying scammers' but its not a giant glaring issue the communify faces. Thats becaue everyone has accepted that scamming is legit even if it costs them some isk. Contrast that to how people react to scams in Guildwars, where scamming is illegal. Any little disadvantaged trade becomes a bannable offense and people rat eachother out all day for little ****.

tldr: is, if you cater to the whiners, you'll have nothing but whiners for players. Some whining is legitimate, but most of it is just people not getting their way. Falling down the hole in mario bros sucks, but you know what sucks more? not having any holes at all

Newborn player stats seems more or less constant for the past year, and every increment inbetween.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Im at a loss to explain PLEX price increase.

My best guess is apparently multiboxers, who are most probably the largest market segment drop in the last year in terms of accounts, were buying PLEX for RLM for some reason. Arguable whether those constituted care/null bears at what %. Especially in null though, with higher and arguably safer profits, why would they have bought PLEX with RLM in the first place when they are space rich?

Why did the cash PLEX buyers stop?
Who were they?

Because yours is so relevant and based on valid arguments. Right ?

Because you are "EVE Famous" right ?

And only your pride, once more, says that stating you do something badly is detrimental for you as a person.

Capital Ships do exist for a reason, and they are used on and on in battle. You can see them on CCP channel on YouTube, you can see them on player's channels in YouTube, Twitch, and other gaming websites.

No one needs to brag to be taken into consideration.

There is even a term for your kind of fallacy you call logic, it is called "Argument of Authority, followed by the Argument of Ignorance".

You use the empty argument that I have no authority to say what I say based solely on the fact that said authority is not proven, but the argument itself is not tackeld.

The you use the empty argument that I cant know or cant be trusted to know something I never did because I dont show I did. Which attacks only the person and the ability to say something, but again, never tackels WHAT was said aaswell.

But yeah, I am the one doing it wrong in your view, Which really doesnt mean much.

Oh come on. This year's PCU average is 30% below that of 2011. Whatever it's going on, it's not seasonal, rather chronical.

Funny thing, I can do 3 times as much ISK as in 2011, in roughly the same time, but I have done my homework you could say.

It also doesnt need an economics degree, to understand that if isk PLEX buyers left the game, that supply and demand would dictate a reduction in PLEX price, as a factor of reduced demand, rather than an increase as now.

For the second time now, you dont seem to grasp this.

If, as you state, there are less accounts ingame buying PLEX for isk, then demand drops, and so does the price (as controlled statistically against the fact that these players did not buy PLEX into the game, but rather bought it ingame with isk).

This didnt happen, which means the core reasons for PLEX price increase are somewhere else, than in isk PLEXing accounts leaving.

I take it they went back to wow as suggested by the tmc article name


So the solution is to beat up null then?

Point it out to me.

No, ofc not.

And your reactionary 1 liner flippant rebuttals are becoming a bit tedious and transparent, here and in other threads.

My point was that nullbears are earning enough isk not to have to buy PLEX for money.
That is well and fine, and deserved, and a matter of ingame mechanics discussion.
It also makes nullbears a huge PLEX consumer, who also suffer from increased isk/PLEX prices.

The difference here, is that PLEX is only introduced into the market by real money investment.
I think this is what we should focus on.
Who are the players, and why, that used to bring PLEX into the game, but now no longer do?

Null, least of all, has any impetus to do so, which eliminates them from consideration in large rational part from consideration as to why PLEX isk prices rose. They are space rich enough to want and benefit from cheap PLEX. Makes no sense for them to sabotagetheir own multitraining/accounting from isk.

Even with NS profits, the +25% increase in PLEX will constrain and limit NS multiaccounts/training, proportionally, as much as anyone else who PLEXes in EVE.

Ill ask you again.

Explain to me, how a reduction in alts/training, (powered by isk PLEX), due to passing 1bil, would not systemically result in a huge reduction in PLEX demand?

These are the accounts that bought PLEX ingame. They populated demand.

You fundamentally fail to understand supply and demand.

The only way your premise works is if those same players also bought IRL PLEX, which doesnt make sense, as we already agree they used ingame isk to buy PLEX instead, and therefore the 1bil hurdle was untenable, and they left the market, therefore reducing demand.

The rational deduction are:
- PLEX supply has reduced, below and beyond that of PLEX demand (even considering account attrition due to multibox rulings, and the now high price of PLEX in isk). Whoever it was that used to buy PLEX with cash, have left the game or no longer do so in very substantial amounts. PLEX influx is no longer matching PLEX demand, by a large margin, in the last months.
OR ( Less feasibly, but not impossible)
-Some ingame entity has finally managed, with extended investment and effort in time, accounts and isk, to reach a position where they can manipulate PLEX, by buying them up and with-holding, tleast in a short window, before PLEX rationalises due to IRL purchases (as the remainder of population cash in on 1bil per PLEX).

The former, relies on player ability to PLEX ingame against the 1bil margin, on one or more accounts. This will be very interesting to see, and constitutes a rationaliztion of the market towards less multi account/training behavior. This is "good", in many ways that I have outlined before.

The latter, should invariably see a gradual, but noticeeable, PLEX dump into the market, as measured against normal players cashing in on 1bil PLEX, which is at +25% in the last year, extremely equitable against current market prices for everything else and consifering EVE inflation. Depends on where their interrst is, and their capacity to profitably buy PLEX off the currently inflated market vs aggregate profit per unit at higher prices when they start to dump.

Altogether, a fascinating period in EVE economic warfare, as conjoined to player behavior.