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Knowing regions sovereignty

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Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2015-08-30 02:45:24 UTC
I am having a difficult time figuring out which region is "owned" by who. I did a jump and found out I was in Caldari space. I tried jumping back out but lost my ship.

Using the map is not intuitive. Too many options, I don't get what all the different colors for the lines mean.

I see where you can click the Caldari button under sovereignty / faction, and I get blue dots, but I wasn't even near the blue dots. I ended up in a Caldari border zone. I wouldn't have jumped if I had known. The show info panel doesn't say either...

How do you plan your trips without going into enemy space. I get the whole hi -lo-null thing, but figuring out where enemy space is has me lost.

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2015-08-30 03:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
There is no danger traversing hisec regions unless you have low standing, or low security rating, or are involved in faction warfare.

You are in the Minmatar militia (i.e. faction warfare) so you need to avoid Amarrian space (and probably Caldari).

Click on any column header to sort (example: sort by faction),
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region

Faction warfare primarily takes place in lowsec, so...

Lowsec systems under Minmatar milita control:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Amarr_VS_Minmatar

Also there is the factional warfare UI (ALT-F).

Since you are in faction warfare, you are always a valid target to the opposing faction wherever you go.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#3 - 2015-08-30 03:34:53 UTC
in the map color by Sovereignty -> Empire and pirate factions. each system should be clearly labled and when you mouse over systems it should tell you the owner in the mouse over tab. This works for the old and beta maps.

caldari border zone is a constellation and should show as caldari space on the map as it is part of the citadel region.

and when in doubt, always easy to post a screenshot showing what you are having trouble with. Looking at the flat map it looks very close into gallente space so I can see some problems there. http://i.imgur.com/bvQ5efe.png

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-08-30 05:19:25 UTC
Hello and welcome to Eve. Sorry to hear about your problem.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Star_map

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Star_Map

After you have the map set up, you can designate various 'Waypoints' to basically pinpoint your route and bypass specific systems while traveling.

I'm not talking about placing them on the 'Avoidance' list. That's not a good idea cause sometime in the future you might wanna go to those systems.

Anyway, in my opinion the old map is much easier to use and read so you might wanna opt out of the Beta map in the Eve settings menu - Esc key when logged into the game..



DMC
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2015-08-30 05:40:29 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I'm not talking about placing them on the 'Avoidance' list. That's not a good idea cause sometime in the future you might wanna go to those systems.


DMC


or even just pass through them at some point. getting a really funky route unexpectedly, or finding out your route is 22 jumps, where your friends route is 8 jumps

personally I don't have any systems on avoidance. The jita nightmares from the olden days are rarely a problem, although they did build stargates that go around jita, so maybe leaving that on avoid isn't the worst of ideas. (I think if you set a route directly to a system it can't avoid that system)

also recent story where autopilot settings a) got me killed, b) nearly got me killed again:
I was flying late night on a destroyer roam and know that going from jita to amarr with preferences set on lowsec can be a decent route. well I did end up making it to amarr, and then turning around to go back into lowsec. Now on the gate out of lowsec I went through a camp, turns out my route back into lowsec went right through that camp, a destroyer doesn't really run a camp very well. Since it was an empty clone and clones don't cost anything I figured I'd just let them pod me...

Oops my med station is in thera, I want to get this clone back to Jita. Got someone to give me a warp to a wormhole out of thera and into amarr lowsec, so I headed back to amarr to grab a ship. From there it is a quick route back to jita. Make it a few jumps and guess where I end up, if you said the lowsec system with a camp that I just died to you would be right. luckily I was in a travel fit frig and made it out no problem. Forgot to set my autopilot to safe/shortest. afaik it is the same route either way from jita <-> amarr.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2015-08-30 13:17:44 UTC
I don't know much about operating with negative standing or being perpetually at war with an opposing faction but I have often wondered how anyone could do it with just one character and my conclusion is that it would be more difficult than it was worth.

My advice to anyone trying to operate under perpetual combat like FW or RvB etc... is to have an alt that is not involved and can move your stuff around for you.

This way when you log onto your main you can be in full combat readiness at all times and when you don't want to be hyper vigilant and just want to kick back and make a market run you can do it on your alt. Keep in mind I'm not talking about a 10 million skill point alt just bare able to sit in some basic frigs and hauler. Maybe some entry level market skills. I'm talking hours of training.

That is my two cents anyway

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Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#7 - 2015-08-30 14:37:25 UTC
Thanks guys. I also learned that I can just quit the militia and that solves one problem
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#8 - 2015-08-30 15:21:14 UTC
The geography of New Eden is pretty confusing. Between dotlan and just cruising around all over the place you just get better at knowing what is where, who owns it etc.

@lunettelulu7

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#9 - 2015-08-30 23:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
In the map (not the beta, shouldn't be using that one) go to the star map, select Tiles, then select Color Tiles By: Sovereignty. You can also check-box Show Area Outlines there. If your map is in flat mode, you can also color stars by region rather than security level which can help with a little bleed-over of regional/Sovereignty systems, or leave at security level and just keep in mind to check when you get near outlines.

It's not just FW, you can take hits from regular mission running if you don't avoid those certain missions... which can drop some decent tags.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-08-31 04:52:41 UTC
imo tiles are too big to be of use for individual systems, they are good for getting a glance of the eve universe as a whole, but a bit impractical for route planning.

as far as surviving while at war, imo not too hard. FW should provide some basic income, and you can get people to courier contract stuff around. hub to hub packages get picked up for almost nothing. and usually random system to hub will get picked up for not much. I haven't tried getting people to move stuff from hub to random system much though. for specialized routes red/black frog are useful, although a bit expensive.

also set up a bunch of insta un/dock bookmarks in frequently used systems. Instant dock bookmarks are nice to warp to station and immediately be able to dock, sometimes just warping to the station will put you far enough out you are vulnerable for a moment or two. And the insta undock bookmarks are aligned with the station undock, so when you undock you can instantly warp off rather than try and align out to warp to somewhere else.

surviving is pretty easy when you get used to it. that said every now and then there isn't a thing you can do about it. just gotta roll with the loss from time to time.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#11 - 2015-08-31 18:46:27 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
imo tiles are too big to be of use for individual systems, they are good for getting a glance of the eve universe as a whole, but a bit impractical for route planning.
Well they would be confusing if they were small, wouldn't they? Considering these npc empires are pretty large. I spent years mostly map flying back before the hacking mini-game garbage, free-flying w/o any rout, peek my head out the window once in a while mostly at sites using tactical view since sites had rats back then. Never had problems with map information.

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