Out of Pod Experience

Attempted murder?

Really? No, man. Just, no.

So quick to dismiss... Is that out of guilt? Or are you displaying that usual ganker moral superiority? Get over yourself (or were you a Stockholm recruit they ganked first and you have to be this way even in OOP just to hide from your weak self?)

As a firearms instructor I saw years ago how military style operant conditioning for the police was going to get innocent people killed. Even unarmed ones. Heck even dogs in adjacent yards get shot now. Myself and many others tried to warn people about this. Nobody listened. Citizens who do not get operant conditioning (I call it "kill-bot training") have a remarkebly lower incidence of shooting people who are unarmed. In America you are more likely to get killed by a cop than a terrorist or even an armed robber.

Sending military "kill-bot" trained cops to somebody's home, on the premise of being an armed threat, is attempted murder. Not some prank. Not harmless smack. There is a reason why filing a false report like this is a felony.

If you opinion is wideley held in CODE. Then that would lend much to the opinions that many other players have about them. I guess "taking it into RL", something CODE. Claims to be against, is not so serious after all. Right? But then as usual the worst people always claim to be against the things they themselves do. Right?

I had this happen to me once, by my sister
No SWAT around here, but police swarmed with guns drawn, trying to break into the house. I was taking care of my mom fresh out of the hospital very very sick (I was the only one that would), she was tired and didn't feel like talking to my sister on the phone. Sister kept calling back from 120 miles away, my mom kept saying "I'm tired, I want to rest, call back later", 2 or 4 times, kept calling again and again and again and my mom just quit answering. She started calling my cell, my mom said just don't answer it, insisted.

Finally the police showed up like I mentioned, even ran down the front gate, doing damage to the gate, back door and window. "no officers, I'm not hurting my mom, my sister is a nut case". I was holding my mom hostage or something, I was hurting my mom and not letting my sister check on her to make sure she is ok Because my sister was too busy to actually be there to help, she had a couch to lay on to do nothing all day apart from soap operas to watch... in her soiled broken mind

Obviously whoever did that to Markus should be put into prison. That's even worse and imo attempted murder. Just gotta keep anonymous as the standard. I remember him back from early UO, I'm sure he knows the risks. The guy who did this to him may not even be an EVE player, could be a WoW player or anyone since Markee Dragon has been well known for a couple decades.

As for you quitting, don't be shy, takes little effort to get out. You've already mentioned in another thread about quitting. Either do it or don't. Since the FW Russians already broke all your stuff, I guess no point in asking for stuff. I don't think Markus will be quitting, he's an old-school mmo gamer, there is no "quit", though I'm sure he'll take more precautions after this.

You are seriously drawing a parallel between a unfortunate RL event and what a player alliance in a game about internet spaceships and spreadsheets does?



If it isn't the cops, it is definiately the food that gets you.



Try backing up and try making that a little coherent? Take your time, we can wait.



Do you have anyone that can take you to a professional? Judging from what I am reading right there, you struggle to differentiate between what is reality and what isn't.

I agree that it could get people killed.

Simply if the call has the person inside as a very real threat, and said person in confusion represents that threat, it could result in lethal force. There have been deaths from it already. Person makes a false call, somebody dies. Very minimum, is manslaughter. If intentional and directed swatting, it is murder. Just didn't pull the trigger.

I hope the catch the person too, especially if it was a "troll"

Federal Crime in the US since it is now classified as dometic terrorism. 25 years to life. Whose laughing now.

Am I defending swatting? No, but I'd like to know where you saw me trying to defend it.



I never thought you to be one of the "the evil empire is coming to get us!" types.

I am not defending anything. What I am though, is calling BS on your definition of "attempted murder" because calling the cops on someone as a prank isn't attempted murder, it is however two things; falsifying report which is illegal and it is also dangerous for everyone involved -- cops as well as the victim of the prank.

However, knowing how trigger happy cops are in the US -- there is a very real chance of someone ending up dead.



Attempted murder is when someone has the intent to kill but ends up failing to kill the intended victim. And as we can only speculate what the culprit's intent was for the swatting, we end up in very murky waters when we try to define its judicial definition.

In other words, in a court case where the defendant is charged for swatting is likely going to end up on charges for falsifying report unless there is clear evidence that the intent was to kill.



Still, Soviets and gas lightning... LOL!

The nineteen year old suspect in this article( Mar 27, 2015) can get up to 5 years in prison.

Teenage Minecraft player admits to orchestrating three swattings

nah dude, for one its a predominantly American streamer thing and has been happening for quite some time now.

in eve if you want to screw with a streamer you just run a locator and go screw with them.

Edit: i agree with you though its pretty godawfull thing to do given how twitchy us police can be, to deliberatly put a team of them in your home with the notion in their heads that they might have to kill you is actually quite a scummy thing to do.

Because the police sends SWAT squad with real guns to a supposed shootout/murderer with gun.

That is not your usual "loud neighbour" report.

Even in Europe people do call the police with the intend to disrupt someones daily routine. False claims are not an american thing.

What is different though is that we hear of something happening in the USA as a whole country, while ine Europe we are still in the mindset of individual countries. So when something happens in Finland or in Greece, we consider it as far away. Partly that's reasonable because there are indeed huge cultural differences. I for one whitnessed a pistol shot to celebrate a marriage , right in the center of Zagreb in Croatia. That's rather inimaginable where I actually live. But when something happens in Texas, we europeans think USA.

Apart from our more gunhappy Europeans or recent conflict zones (Northern Ireland, Balkans, Corsica ...) we generally have strict gun control and so police doesn't have to suspect gun related dangers every time they are called.

But yeah, swatting is really disturbing ...