Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you don't like it, then stop being a prey animal.

Don't see how it can be griefing when you have the ability to avoid the war-dec.

Echoing some advice already given, the most important thing you can and should do is find a corporation that has experience dealing with wardecs. War and combat mechanics can be complicated (even the basic stuff everyone MUST know can be rather lengthy) and no amount of good forum advice is going to take the place of experienced corp mates who know what to do, how to do it, how to teach you, and how to work together to make sure it gets done right.

Wardecs are nothing to be afraid of or avoid. They just require a change in behaviors. And once you get into the groove of dealing with them, you'll find that EvE is actually much more fun with them, than without them.

Especially after being told beforehand that something is not petition-able. That's why your advice is so poisonous, because you're telling newbies to do something that anyone would know is wrong.




You lie.

This is very literally against policy, it would be like reimbursing someone for self destructing. If it actually happened, which I doubt, your duty as a player is to escalate it, because it should be seen by Internal Affairs.

Prove that I am lying, provide a link to this so called truth that some things (war decs specifically) cannot be petitioned because I cannot find it anywhere. And yes you will have to prove me wrong in this because the TOS specifically prohibits me from proving that I am correct. Any communications I may have had with CCP over this issue would be considered private and according to section 18 of the TOS (link below) I am specifically prohibited from posting them without permission.
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/

On the other hand anything in the rules or TOS that might prove your statement would not be considered a "private" communication so you are free to link them without risk thus educating us all.

Evading means that you don't explode, that's an advantage in my book.

Evade and survive is a century's old military tactic that is still in use today, I'd love to see you tell someone in the military that using it means that they've ceded the field because they had no chance of winning.

FTFY

I'm primarily a PvE player, I manage just fine in Eve despite the threat of wardecs, because they're trivial to evade with little or no effort; even without taking advantage of the fact that I can drop to an NPC corp or reroll my corp at will.

The PvE activities in Eve are designed to either pit you against other players, or to pit other players against each other. In short PvP is not restricted to making stuff explode.

Black Pedro thank you for posting this.

I want to draw specific attention to this part.

"Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account."

As I stated earlier CCP is in a difficult position with war decs and this quoted segment of your post only serves to prove that. When a corp is war decced they are forced into playing the game in a way that they do not want to. Yes a WD is easily avoided but then again they are being forced into playing the game in a way that they do not want to. While CCP has routinely stated and I fully support any corps right and ability to WD another at any time and for any reason a WD that is continuously in effect over time could be and likely is in violation of this quoted segment. Taking an example if corp a WD corp b over a period of time and after a review CCP determines that one or more members of corp a have been or currently are in violation of this quoted segment and are banned. Is it not possible(even if unlikely) that CCP could invalidate the WD as a result of this situation? From a certain point of view invalidating the WD is the right and proper thing to do considering that some or all of the players that filed that WD have been suspended for violatiing the rules specifically because of the WD.

And so we get back around to where I started. If your corp has been under continuous WD by the same corp since February then file a ticket. It is extremly unlikely(although possible) that you would be reprimanded for doing so and there is a possibility that you can find relief from the WD. Nothing ventured, nothing gained seems appropriate here

And I am still waiting for that PROOF that you cannot file a ticket over a WD. And I am still waiting for the proof that you would be reprimanded if you did.

I see what you did there - rather than put yourself in a position where you later need to move the goalposts, you simply set an impssible goal in the first place. Sharing GM correspondence is against the rules.

I was looking back over old info and patch notes yesterday concerning wardecs amongst other things.

It seems to me that in the past you could not easily get out of a wardec so constant wardecs could be debatable over what the intent was.

But it looks like it was changed so that you could easily remove yourself from the wardec.

I think that might of been CCPs answer for not having to decide if constant wardecs were griefing or not.


Edit:

Actually the very first line on the very first patch note in 2003 has me wondering if the bug some people get now is the same bug that was fixed (maybe) back then.

You mistake me: We dont dock (also living out SMA anyway :D), we just stay out of highsec more. All it means is a week of diminished personal logistics.

Our decs come from the usual mob, deccing loads of corps at once to farm easy highsec kills to pad their KB.

We deny them that, we deny them the (highsec) content and they go away. Every time.

See, despite all the wardeccer bluster about fighting everywhere (low/null/WH), they never actually do leave the shallows.