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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-08-24 12:54:31 UTC
There is indeed.

Art of Explosions
Fenris Mars
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-08-24 13:06:44 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
There is indeed.

thanks! i will try doing that today. exploration sounds like it is fun. i can fly a lowbie ship, just need to get the other scanning skills up now. i watched some videos and putting probes out in the right formation seems tricky.
Rengor Elongur
ThunderStrike Corp
Pewgilism.
#23 - 2015-08-24 14:14:37 UTC
Fenris Mars wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
There is indeed.

thanks! i will try doing that today. exploration sounds like it is fun. i can fly a lowbie ship, just need to get the other scanning skills up now. i watched some videos and putting probes out in the right formation seems tricky.


Not anymore... You only have 2 "real" settings... "Pinpoint" and "Area scan"...

Out of those you only use pinpoint. There is one reason to touch these layouts... If you hit a sleeper cache (In that case you have to zoom in by moving your drones clother together instead of the usual scan range zoom)

Besides that... Just load 16 Probes (for Auto reload, and downtime security (Only way to loose probes)) and try your luck...

And please be nice... Also do those damned data sites to clean them up!
Zihao
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-08-24 18:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Zihao
Rengor Elongur wrote:

Its the ability to "double zoom" on most Sites. Skipping one step to get to a close answer helps to speed your scanning on the long run. Its the difference between 6 or 3 scans to nail a site down...


I don't know the specifics of pinpointing as a mechanic, but I will say that I have never needed 6 scans to get a warpable hit, even with my old skills. 5 would be worst-case, assuming you don't get a good hit within 4au of a celestial. 3 is the average for me now, 4 was average with my skills bare basic. It's also worth a mention that the SOE ships have a baseline signal bonus much better than my frigate III.

Obviously faster and more efficient scan times helps, but in the context of minimum skills required to participate in exploration outside of empire space it isn't necessary. Locating just one null relic is a goldmine for a new player, not being able to locate as many as possible per hour is a problem they can solve later on. Better they get a head-start when they can first locate the sites at all than wait until they can be efficient at it.
Fenris Mars
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-08-24 23:02:56 UTC
Is there a Overview that's easier to explore with? Seeing "ALL" is pretty cluttered.
And I looked at the Stratios ship, it shows bonuses for lasers, but a lot of the builds I searched seem to use auto-cannons instead? Something I'm running into learning the game, I train a certain gun skill and then people put different ones and I wonder if I just wasted time training skills.
Xan Pendragon
Transcendere
#26 - 2015-08-28 13:45:24 UTC
Astero would be a good choice. With the right skills in can do low level combat sites with ease. Can do 4/10 Guristas with little trouble, except drone aggro. A stratios can do 5/10 but be much better to go with an Ishtar or, with fewer skill points, a Gila. And for relic and data sites, practice in a T1 then either an Astero or a covert ops frigate.
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-08-28 15:41:18 UTC
Xan Pendragon wrote:
Astero would be a good choice. With the right skills in can do low level combat sites with ease. Can do 4/10 Guristas with little trouble, except drone aggro. A stratios can do 5/10 but be much better to go with an Ishtar or, with fewer skill points, a Gila. And for relic and data sites, practice in a T1 then either an Astero or a covert ops frigate.


How in the world can Astero do combat sites? O_O

I've never even seen a fit that has any weapons at all.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-08-28 16:23:00 UTC
Vendraen wrote:
Xan Pendragon wrote:
Astero would be a good choice. With the right skills in can do low level combat sites with ease. Can do 4/10 Guristas with little trouble, except drone aggro. A stratios can do 5/10 but be much better to go with an Ishtar or, with fewer skill points, a Gila. And for relic and data sites, practice in a T1 then either an Astero or a covert ops frigate.


How in the world can Astero do combat sites? O_O

I've never even seen a fit that has any weapons at all.


It has drones

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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-08-28 16:29:24 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


It has drones


True - only enough bandwidth for 2 Mediums though (or 5 small).

Not a lot of punch there.
Xan Pendragon
Transcendere
#30 - 2015-08-29 23:24:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Xan Pendragon
Vendraen wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


It has drones


True - only enough bandwidth for 2 Mediums though (or 5 small).

Not a lot of punch there.


117 dps with 5 Hob II. Enough, if slow.
The Lobsters
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-08-30 12:55:19 UTC
I run combat sites all the time in an Astero. Shield tank it, fit 3 DDA's in the lows. You can run fairly hard ded sites, it just may take you longer.

Remember, the mobile depot is your friend. Watch out though. I also fit a point and hunt other explorers.

I love the Astero, I really , really do.

That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.
Rengor Elongur
ThunderStrike Corp
Pewgilism.
#32 - 2015-09-09 07:36:15 UTC
Zihao wrote:
Rengor Elongur wrote:

Its the ability to "double zoom" on most Sites. Skipping one step to get to a close answer helps to speed your scanning on the long run. Its the difference between 6 or 3 scans to nail a site down...


I don't know the specifics of pinpointing as a mechanic, but I will say that I have never needed 6 scans to get a warpable hit, even with my old skills. 5 would be worst-case, assuming you don't get a good hit within 4au of a celestial. 3 is the average for me now, 4 was average with my skills bare basic. It's also worth a mention that the SOE ships have a baseline signal bonus much better than my frigate III.

Obviously faster and more efficient scan times helps, but in the context of minimum skills required to participate in exploration outside of empire space it isn't necessary. Locating just one null relic is a goldmine for a new player, not being able to locate as many as possible per hour is a problem they can solve later on. Better they get a head-start when they can first locate the sites at all than wait until they can be efficient at it.



Can you reliably do double zooms (8 AU -> 2 AU, 2AU -> 0,5 AU) with your skills? Sometimes in an Astero/Stratios you can get a to big "margin of error". The base marion of error (deviation) is 50% of your scan range. High skills get this down to 25%, which will place the site within the double zoom.

This can cause your scan result to show up as "double hit" with 2 results. This is annoying because of 2 things:

- You cannot double click the result to center it on the map and quickly place probes on it
- you only have a 50/50 chance to locate the site with the next scan
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#33 - 2015-09-09 09:10:50 UTC
Don't forget the T3 destroyers either. I regularly use a Confessor which has 95% cpu reduction for probe launchers which lets you fit an expanded launcher very easily, great for re-homing lost drones. It has a good cargo bay as well.

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Grail
High Order
#34 - 2015-09-20 00:14:30 UTC
Rengor Elongur wrote:
Zihao wrote:
[quote=Rengor Elongur]
Its the ability to "double zoom" on most Sites. Skipping one step to get to a close answer helps to speed your scanning on the long run. Its the difference between 6 or 3 scans to nail a site down...

This can cause your scan result to show up as "double hit" with 2 results. This is annoying because of 2 things:

- You cannot double click the result to center it on the map and quickly place probes on it
- you only have a 50/50 chance to locate the site with the next scan




In the case of a double positive, look at which signature is furthest away from the nearest probe. That will be the signature you will want to scan next.
Zihao
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-09-20 00:50:22 UTC
Rengor Elongur wrote:

Can you reliably do double zooms (8 AU -> 2 AU, 2AU -> 0,5 AU) with your skills?


Yes
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