Intergalactic Summit

I've really not stated anything here yet but I would just like to say this.

I realize that -I-, the being that submitting this right now, am probably not going to be alive for more than a couple years at most. But what I represent is the idea of Evi Polevhia. And much like ideas of Faith, Democracy, Service, and Freedom, the idea of Evi Polevhia is immortal as long as there is a being with my memories and experiences. I am one of many people who's had this name, and there will be ones after me. Individuals may die, but my mind will live on.

And that is all the immortality I wish for.

I have been impressed with most of the eloquent arguments presented here in this thread, many thanks to the OP.

We all have strong opinions about death, the thing people can not really know until they experience it in it's permanent form in my humble opinion. We can have our faith and various belief systems to help us embrace a concept of existence or non-existence, that is not like what we currently experience.

The paradise, punishment, or nothingness to come paradox.

I think the way to resolve this issue is first to "REALLY" define what life is.

Is life the body we were born into, the physical body?

Is life the electrical control system resident in the brain that enables control and monitoring of higher and lower functions in that physical body allowing it to grow, then age and wear out?

If it is the above then the problem of immortality has been solved, sequential transfer of that electrical control system with all memories, or even most, to fresh new bodies does not tax the galactic resources to the point of it becoming intolerable to accommodate the swelling mass of humanity population wide cloning would create.

The planets available to inhabit are no where close to their limits. The question of course would be could we manage it properly.

Right now the things that threaten humanity the most are other segments of human population.

Medical arts and sciences have cured many diseases and cloning allows avoidance or early treatment or repetitive escape from those not cured yet.

I do herein propose "Life" is that electrical spark inside your physical body.

When I jump from clone to clone, other than implant capabilities, I am not lessened. The life in me moves around the cluster either transmitted to clones or inside ships. We are completely disassembled and reassembled when we jump gates, does that mean we died and were reborn? Baseliners can travel on jump capable ships. The transmitting of the electrical spark of life with or without the physical body is the "life" we seek to preserve.

Slingshot helps us offer that to the people we employ and who have taken risks to help build our Alliance.
This may not be the cure but it is a dynamic work around for which the OP should be lauded and celebrated.
On behalf of all the employees and their families in the Drake Ashigaru Alliance I can not thank you enough.

Even if we were to assume this to be the case - that the electrical state of your body, which is caused by the physical processes, not seperate from them, not 'allowing' them to function - then your conclusion is flawed:



The electrical state of your body is not transferred. Only the description of it is. A perfect description of you, which is then written into another body. That's it. Even a fluid router - even entanglement - only ever transfers information, not actual electrical states.

And your clone is alive before you use it. It grows with your 'electrical control system' - it has its own. By that logic, by your logic, your clone has its own life before it is converted to think it's you. And you kill that life, too.

You know that when you jumpclone, the clone you jump out of is flatlined and reprocessed, and they fish out the implants to install in a brand new clone, right? It's a burner scan, same as pod death...

Arrendis, you seem to have a gross misunderstanding about how our medical clone works.

Our medical clone, despite having our genetic material, is essentially brain-dead.

There is absolutely no brain activity at all. No impulses, no connections, no neuroplasticity.

As for how our memory is transferred, it is nothing like transferring data from one database to another. What really happens is that our capsule takes a 'snapshot' of our brain. That means everything, the last mental burst of activity, the synaptic connections, everything. Memory just happens to be copied along the way as, after all, memory is stored between the synaptic connections within our hippocampus.

The snapshot is then transferred to our new clone. Everything is replicated. The clone's brain is sculpted as according to this snapshot template. Synaptic connections are formed as according to this template, the last state of mental activity, everything. Then the brain is jolted awake. This new brain, like it or not, is the exact copy of the previous brain, down to the very essentials and the most minute of details. Everything, all memories whether conscious or subconscious, how our previous brain processes information, our quirks, all our sensory experience and our cognitive and emotional reaction to our very last moments, all of it, copy and pasted.

This is why the experience of waking up in a new clone is so disorienting. One moment you are experiencing the panic of seeing your pod hull getting breached (not just the memory of seeing the breach, even the exact way the biochemical signals cascades around your neurones are being replicated in your new brain), and the next, you are staring out of a clone pod. It takes a while for our newly activated brain to process this sudden shift of imagery that, far as it was concerned, was but a nanosecond apart.

He has everything important about me stuffed in his head. Down to the way he thinks. If there is a soul, then it has made the transfer and this clone is me. If there isn't a soul, then he is a perfect replica of me, from agenda to way of thought. The best kind of heir one can get.

Either way, I have no complaints.

By the way, the unactivated clone has no electrical state. Zero activity, remember? No metabolism, no pulse, no neuroplasticity, absolutely nothing. That clone is a lifeless husk kept fresh by the use of a machine. Only electrical state comes from the outside to keep the cell matter intact and not atrophied. Rip that clone out of its pod and it doesn't function. At all. Jolt all its cells into functioning and it has no consciousness, a vegetable.

A meat doll is not a living, conscious being.

The Jove did it.

There are not enough resources in the universe to support a human population that can't die, that goes double for those that can still reproduce.