Missions & Complexes

Been running relic sites on my alt, in the area I usually do, only the relic sites I am finding are dropping terrible loot, if any at all. Prob done 20 sites so far, and hardly anything of value is dropping, at least in comparison to last week. Been like this for a couple of days now.

Did I miss a dev blog, or anyone else noticing the same thing?

In sansha null btw, hunting those intact armor plates!

Wow mate, think you need to take a moment and chill out.

I understand the mechanics of exploration, as I have been playing since 2006. I simply wondered if anyone else had experiences similar to mine, as in all the time I have been involved in explo, I don't recall a time when I received so little in loot.

But thank you kindly, for your response.

Jita Godess

No offense, but it's a pet peeve of mine to see people ask the same damn thing over and over and have been given the same answer over and over when there is a search function, so don't take it personally. I'd be lying if I were to claim that that didn't sound harsher than intended.

20 sites is hardly a large enough number of "failures", if you will, to suspect arbitrary changes to loot rarity, though there is nothing stopping CCP from doing that admittedly. Consider this though; maybe this month, you'll find nothing at all of value from the best sites that exist in Eve, even though you've had the best loot drops from all of last year till now, and then suddenly next month hit jackpot again from the very first site you hit. It's why faction frequency crystals burn out at exactly 4000 rounds, but T2 burns out somewhere around 1000. Because the T2 crystals have a 10% Volatility Rating, it acts as a chance based system, not a guaranty like it is for faction crystals at 100%. Oddly, I think some people just instinctively draw the conclusion that "1 in 10" means that if the first 9 attempts yield nothing, the next one absolutely must.

Truth is, that's not how chance works, since no one result has any effect on another. I don't know how Eve is coded to simulate odds, having the results of one site play into the results of another would be more work and coding I would think and kind of defeats the point of making it random in the first place. I'm not saying CCP will never nerf loot (Lord knows they've proven that before), but striking bad odds are hardly believable evidence. Trouble with random is that it is in fact random. Go figure.

1st post and prob last in mission and complex.

A lot more trolls, and hostility than expected, think ill warp myself back over to market discussion and stay there.

Toodles o/

No need to take it personal, "random is random" is the standard answer around here. Every once in a while someone will post monthly stats that present some hard data that people will stop to consider.


Does CCP really announce every time they make a change to the drop tables or frequency of occurrence? It seems to me like they would make adjustments to keep values in the range they want them without causing an uproar.

or someone came through with a cargo scanner took all the good loot and left the bad loot to rot in the site till someone else showed up.

Don't judge this sub-forum on a couple of bad replies, most people here are usually helpful.

As for your question, I'm gonna say yes. Over the years I've watched loot drops diminish on a regular basis which tells me CCP is constantly messing with them. No they won't post about it since it'll create a massive uproar. Besides that, CCP is pretty much covered due to players who constantly keep spouting the old crap answer of RNG. Basically it's their go-to answer without having to provide any actual proof.

As to why CCP would do that, because they want to encourage and foster a hostile environment. They reduce the loot drops so you'll have to do more sites thus making yourself more of a target for PvP encounters.

Yeah, that's just my opinion.


DMC

CCP has exactly 3 ways to alter a cans drops.
They can alter what does or does not drop.
They can alter how often something drops.
They can alter the total volume of the cans generated drops.

Changing any of these will not have an instant effect on the market. The supply alteration has to migrate to markets and drive the price up/down.

It would be difficult for them to make more then low percentage changes to these numbers without people noticing. and yes.. we are NERDS enough to notice something like this on a statistical average.

A real nerd would know 20 sites is not sufficient to have a reliable statistical average.

Oh hell yes.
But have you seen ze germans?
Crazy nutballs will pull a thousand data points out of somewhere suddenly.