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Amarr declares war on Drifters
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Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#21 - 2015-08-26 02:09:41 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Lucas Raholan wrote:


I doubt you will be saying this when the Matari trade lanes are infested with these things or when they murder your precious tribal chiefs.
When they become as bad as the Amarr, you mean?


And now that that's out of my system....
Lucas Raholan wrote:
war against the Drifters should be a concern for the entire cluster and it seems like always only the Amarr are prepared to take a stand while the rest hide behind their mothers skirts out of fear and cowardice

Not true, we just don't like the way you Amarrians went about demanding our help like you were entitled to it. Ask nicely, and with a little humility, and we might be willing to work something out.

I like how both of you are right.

So we need to find our halfway house here. Amarr could turn off the smugness switch and others could start helping. What I mean is, so far I've seen burning Navy wrecks and idiots in covops ships sitting there and doing nothing. I understand why, because it is a lowsec.

So, now it is a question to our Glorious Space Security CONCORD Forces of the New Eden Cluster, would they lift their asses off the tables and go and at least secure the system, offer some intel to us, who constantly clean up the mess after them, on how to get this menace contained.

Because, frankly, if Amarr Empire is going down, we are next.


You expect CONCORD to do anything about these attacks, they did nothing to protect a head of state, do you really think their going suddenly become competent and responding now following multiple attacks against the Cluster, They even laid siege to the DED own headquarters and they showed they'd rather attack passing capsuleers then deal with the immediate threat .

CONCORD are a corrupt institution that has outlived it's purpose and meaning, we must look to the empires and ourselves to fend of this new terror before it consumes all of New Eden for CONCORD will not save us

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty
Math'ra Hiede
Trinity's Vanguard
#22 - 2015-08-26 02:38:00 UTC
This is exactly what I have warned of.

A state of war now exists between the Empire and the threat of the Drifters. We alone have called their bluff and begun to move to a state of readiness to forever deal with this abomination.

They have all ready appeared in my Kingdom, while people use this as an excuse to murder each other and ignore the true problem staring them in the face.

It is at times like this we remind the other races and powers. This is the Empire, standing for Humanity when those who cannot or will not stand.

We will fight this terror with all our might.

Khanid Victor! Amarr Victor!
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#23 - 2015-08-26 05:35:51 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

And in this war, there can be no middle ground. You are either with us and the rest of humanity, or you are with the Drifters.


Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read nothing of the sort that the Empire has even asked any help aside from the capsuleer loyalists. In their hubris they think themselves able to fend off the threat alone, or so it would seem from where I'm standing.
And I'm under the impression that if Republic, Federation or State fleets would start entering the Empire's borders without permission that would be considered an act of war, or at least provocation of the highest order, regardless of good intention.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#24 - 2015-08-26 05:38:01 UTC
ALERT

Drifter incursion has expanded to the neighboring system of Chitiamem!

We do not as yet know whether this is because the Drifters are expanding a bridgehead, or because the Amarr have improved their ability to detect Drifter penetrations. Amarr border control was reported to be able to identify Drifter movements during the Safizon raid 14th August, and so it may be the latter.

More information as we acquire it.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2015-08-26 08:01:50 UTC
Lucas Raholan wrote:

You expect CONCORD to do anything about these attacks, they did nothing to protect a head of state


Isn't this the job of the navy, sir... ?
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#26 - 2015-08-26 08:24:53 UTC
Big news; it's expected as standard protocols and procedures?

Why does this even warrant a discussion?

I suppose we'll have to endure a few more days of this amarrian golden robe prancing, or mourning, whichever you prefer.

Lyn Farel wrote:
Lucas Raholan wrote:

You expect CONCORD to do anything about these attacks, they did nothing to protect a head of state


Isn't this the job of the navy, sir... ?


Technically.
If you want to allow CONCORD to just idly sit and watch for the sake of bureaucracy, that's on your conscience.
Don't expect the rest of your compatriots to be equally thrilled about it however.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#27 - 2015-08-26 09:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
So far, most capsuleers are still in the stage of poking the Drifters, no full scale engagements yet, except for the sake of finding ways to beat them on a regular basis.

The Drifters did pick their initial attack well, a lowsec system in Khanid space. Remote from any supplies & bereft of most normal security, making it an easy target to reinforce themselves & exert control over the area. Meanwhile we constantly have to watch our backs, not only from Drifters attacking us, but also our own kind salivating at the idea of shooting fellow capsuleers.

My latest publication summarizes the War Declaration & the initial hours at the Khanid conflict zone: 'The Amarr Empire marches to war!'

The criticism about Concord's silence is a good point however. During the Sansha attacks, they at least provided some intel regarding Nation, once the spy was rooted out.
But now they've been completely silent ever since the Drifters attacked Yulai... Wonder what's up with that.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-08-26 11:25:23 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
So far, most capsuleers are still in the stage of poking the Drifters, no full scale engagements yet, except for the sake of finding ways to beat them on a regular basis.

The Drifters did pick their initial attack well, a lowsec system in Khanid space. Remote from any supplies & bereft of most normal security, making it an easy target to reinforce themselves & exert control over the area. Meanwhile we constantly have to watch our backs, not only from Drifters attacking us, but also our own kind salivating at the idea of shooting fellow capsuleers.

My latest publication summarizes the War Declaration & the initial hours at the Khanid conflict zone: 'The Amarr Empire marches to war!'

The criticism about Concord's silence is a good point however. During the Sansha attacks, they at least provided some intel regarding Nation, once the spy was rooted out.
But now they've been completely silent ever since the Drifters attacked Yulai... Wonder what's up with that.


My guess is that CONCORD don't know if this is purely between the Drifters and Amarr or the start of a larger conflict. If the former they'll stay out of it. If the latter then they will step in. Of course there is always the possibility that CONCORD know it is the former...
Anslo
Scope Works
#29 - 2015-08-26 11:33:42 UTC
Meh.

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Michael Pawlicki
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry.
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#30 - 2015-08-26 20:33:42 UTC

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You expect CONCORD to do anything about these attacks, they did nothing to protect a head of state, do you really think their going suddenly become competent and responding now following multiple attacks against the Cluster, They even laid siege to the DED own headquarters and they showed they'd rather attack passing capsuleers then deal with the immediate threat .

CONCORD are a corrupt institution that has outlived it's purpose and meaning, we must look to the empires and ourselves to fend of this new terror before it consumes all of New Eden for CONCORD will not save us


CONCORD has what little help they can offer tied up with the Sansha abduction campaigns, and given their previous dealings I would expect no support. We need to get the other Empires off their asses and move forces out to deal with this, preferably commanded by capsuleers. While the CFC burns Providence, the Drifters are annihilating Amarr Navy vessels, and my contacts in the Navy say that this is a battle they have little chance to win. We need to unite or die alone.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#31 - 2015-08-26 20:48:39 UTC
Michael Pawlicki wrote:

CONCORD has what little help they can offer tied up with the Sansha abduction campaigns

Not to be "that guy", but does it really take the whole of CONCORD to tell us that there's an incursion in such-and-such system? If so, we need to replace them....

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#32 - 2015-08-26 21:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Michael Pawlicki wrote:

While the CFC burns Providence


Who?

Also, just as a minor point, if we can deal with Sansha incursions in a relatively quick manner, and CONCORD has a vastly larger budget and support from all four High-Sec Signatories (since people complain if I call them 'Empires' I'm sure they'd complain if I called them 'States' too...), then can I humbly submit that if you give us their budget, we'll be more than happy to do their job. Better. and probably cheaper.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#33 - 2015-08-26 21:34:31 UTC
I recall back when the Sansha started attacking the Amarrians those of us who offered to help were told in no uncertain terms that our aid was unappreciated, unwanted and unnecessary. Now that the Drifters have appeared on your doorstep and targeted you you cry that this matter concerns all of humanity and we all need to be afraid that we'll be next in line. Some of you even have the gall to say that if we don't help we're your enemies and friends of the Drifters or cowards.

I don't believe any of that claptrap for a minute. Your nation is being targeted for reasons known only to the Drifters. If they were truly interested in wiping us all out why wouldn't they launch a coordinated attack on all 4 empires? Why start a fight with the largest nation first? Sorry, but none of this makes sense unless the Drifters have some beef specifically with you slavers.

If the Drifters start attacking in Republic, Federal or State space then we'll take action. Until then, this is an imperial problem in imperial space that your navy, allies, citizens and deity can deal with.





P.S. It's bad form and ineffective to beg for help on the one hand and name call those who might want to help in the same breath.

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Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2015-08-26 22:18:02 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
If they were truly interested in wiping us all out why wouldn't they launch a coordinated attack on all 4 empires? Why start a fight with the largest nation first?


Precisely because of what is happening currently, division.

Picking apart a fractured enemy is simple compared to a unified enemy force. In this case attempting to cripple the Amarr Navy, arguably the largest space faring force in the cluster even if not the most advanced, before a truce or understanding between the nations can be made makes for a very sound tactic.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-08-27 09:43:53 UTC
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
If they were truly interested in wiping us all out why wouldn't they launch a coordinated attack on all 4 empires? Why start a fight with the largest nation first?


Precisely because of what is happening currently, division.

Picking apart a fractured enemy is simple compared to a unified enemy force. In this case attempting to cripple the Amarr Navy, arguably the largest space faring force in the cluster even if not the most advanced, before a truce or understanding between the nations can be made makes for a very sound tactic.


Division won't happen, if this is between the Amarr and the Drifters the other Empires and CONCORD will stay out of it. If the Amarr get badly mauled and any of the remaining Empires are attacked this would result in a fully united response from all concerned.

My only concern is if the former is the case then the rest of New Eden need to ensure they do not get dragged into a war that is not theirs.
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