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Decline in numbers... starting to turn into RAPID!!!

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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#241 - 2015-08-26 20:38:12 UTC
OMG, WOW is dying !!1!11


sauce:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/08/05/world-of-warcraft-has-lost-44-of-its-subscribers-in-six-months-but-thats-okay/

The good news for EvE is: Goons are stepping in and creating content by losing a Titan in Deklein.



Don't anger the forum gods.

ISD Buldath:

> I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left.

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#242 - 2015-08-26 20:59:15 UTC
Jill Xelitras wrote:
OMG, WOW is dying !!1!11


sauce:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/08/05/world-of-warcraft-has-lost-44-of-its-subscribers-in-six-months-but-thats-okay/

The good news for EvE is: Goons are stepping in and creating content by losing a Titan in Deklein.


Cancer creates content too, for instance, you'll need chemo and expensive drugs that you didn't need before. See .. content!

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#243 - 2015-08-26 21:18:16 UTC
Sandpark is the solution imo.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#244 - 2015-08-26 21:23:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Mr Epeen wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:


The system needs to be designed to accommodate how players are known to behave. Anything else is destined to fail.
Good quote. I think I'll link it every time you go on one of your 'force them out of high sec' rants.

Mr Epeen Cool


Everyone else must ~adapt~ to the game.

The game should ~adapt~ itself to me.
Avvy
Doomheim
#245 - 2015-08-26 21:54:43 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:


The system needs to be designed to accommodate how players are known to behave. Anything else is destined to fail.
Good quote. I think I'll link it every time you go on one of your 'force them out of high sec' rants.

Mr Epeen Cool


Everyone else must ~adapt~ to the game.

The game should ~adapt~ itself to me.



No, all players should adapt to the game.

Continually trying to adapt to the players is what generally ruins games over time.
Astral Azizora
Doomheim
#246 - 2015-08-26 23:44:10 UTC
Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up.
Dave Stark
#247 - 2015-08-27 00:35:37 UTC
Astral Azizora wrote:
Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up.


You can't make 40 mil per day?

Really?
James Cannon Fodder
Doomheim
#248 - 2015-08-27 00:39:07 UTC
The elephant in the room that I haven't seen mentioned yet is that... probably.... when you saw lots of people online a few months ago all the time - those were bots.

CCP outlawed bot mining. It should not be a surprise to see average online numbers go down. Now what you are seeing is real, organic, human behavior. You're seeing the number of people who are actually at their computer.



As far as lost subscriptions, I remember last October listening to my Alliance talk on VOX, and a lot of them were mad about the changes to jump freigthers. They had spent literally years setting up their operation in a small corner of null sec, and now because it was too far from Highsec to jump their goods to and from Jita without incurring too much "jump fatigue", their operation was no longer profitable. They had to tear down the whole thing. They had station set up and everything, which apparently took them years to achieve.


It's a difficult balance trying to get new players without losing the old ones, but it's important to remember that the old players are part of what attracts the new players. I totally miss that alliance.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#249 - 2015-08-27 01:28:58 UTC
Astral Azizora wrote:
Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up.
I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Jenshae Chiroptera
#250 - 2015-08-27 02:35:42 UTC
James Cannon Fodder wrote:
The elephant in the room that I haven't seen mentioned yet is that... probably.... when you saw lots of people online a few months ago all the time - those were bots.
CCP outlawed bot mining. ...
Steady decline before that and unlimited skill queue

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#251 - 2015-08-27 05:27:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Djiana Lenar wrote:
Make it easier for new players to stay interested in the game.

Would it be to much to ask for more SP for new players so they can actually be useful?

It's been tried; it doesn't work. It also doesn't address the problem you describe.


Tippia must be right, she tries to understand the game for years... by posting on the forum
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#252 - 2015-08-27 06:43:00 UTC
Ding ding ding ! New content ideea.


Working on the premise that 1of the above posters " can't quote properly from phone " said he logged on and tthere was just 1 other person online .


Say you log in ..and there's just one other guy... Now , go find him! Without using map/locator agents.. That should waste about a days worth of time.


Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#253 - 2015-08-27 06:49:48 UTC
James Cannon Fodder wrote:


It's a difficult balance trying to get new players without losing the old ones, but it's important to remember that the old players are part of what attracts the new players. I totally miss that alliance.


The contribution of long term vets in terms of things like assistance to new players, grinding the boring administrative stuff of a clan/alliance and even creating online out of game tools for free does seem overlooked in many games.

The classic example of this is Hasbro/Wizards with D&D 4th Edition. They were quite happy to abandon their old player base entirely in favor of churning early teens with money to spend thinking it would be more profitable. It wasn't.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#254 - 2015-08-27 07:25:00 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Tippia must be right
Yup. Largely because I was around when it was (unsuccessfully) attempted and because I've actually taken the time to look into what SP does and does not give you at an early stage.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#255 - 2015-08-27 07:43:31 UTC
Webvan wrote:
I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I'm just curious, I can buy 30 PLEX for my monthly salary, how many can you?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#256 - 2015-08-27 07:48:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Astral Azizora wrote:
Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up.


You can't make 40 mil per day?

Really?


I heard that some time before but it was 20 mil.

Maybe you should start to change the argument.

Example: Can't you make 15 $ per day?
Astral Azizora
Doomheim
#257 - 2015-08-27 08:28:02 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Astral Azizora wrote:
Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up.


You can't make 40 mil per day?

Really?


Previously my activities were enough to pay for a PLEX on one of my accounts. The rising cost has now made the purchase of PLEX with ISK untenable for me, as it has for many others. If you think this isn't a problem for the game, then you are part of the problem.

Webvan wrote:
I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Two forum cliches in one short post, well done Roll
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#258 - 2015-08-27 08:57:09 UTC
Astral Azizora wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Astral Azizora wrote:
Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up.


You can't make 40 mil per day?

Really?


Previously my activities were enough to pay for a PLEX on one of my accounts. The rising cost has now made the purchase of PLEX with ISK untenable for me, as it has for many others. If you think this isn't a problem for the game, then you are part of the problem.

Webvan wrote:
I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Two forum cliches in one short post, well done Roll


Only takes 2 - 3 days in HS to make enough isk for a plex. Message me in game and I'll show you.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Delightful Delicacy
Doomheim
#259 - 2015-08-27 09:00:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Delightful Delicacy
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Webvan wrote:
I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I'm just curious, I can buy 30 PLEX for my monthly salary, how many can you?


Christ, only 30 plex? That's hardly anything if you live in most western countries. That's like less than 300 GBP per month.

I could buy 200+ plex with my monthly salary
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#260 - 2015-08-27 09:57:55 UTC
Delightful Delicacy wrote:
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Webvan wrote:
I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I'm just curious, I can buy 30 PLEX for my monthly salary, how many can you?


Christ, only 30 plex? That's hardly anything if you live in most western countries. That's like less than 300 GBP per month.

I could buy 200+ plex with my monthly salary

Buy some PLEX and get it on market.

You will have a lot of ISK.

There are people that play this game from 2008 and they live in a country where you could get an average pay of just 300 GBP per month. Not all the world is England or USA.