Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No but there is for the end user. We could technically get all our ISK from NPC buy order of stuff rats dropped all the time while we rat but it's just added tendium for any space that does not have an efficient way to get that loot to the right place to sell it. A lot of people already think null ratting is useless and you want to reduce the liquidity of it's income?

We've seen over the years a fairly consistent percentage of our player base PLEX their accounts. If this percentage begins to decline consistently, and is not being counteracted by an increase in subscriber counts, then I'm sure we would take a look in to the system.
So far, to my knowledge, even with the ruble plummeting recently, the overall subscriber ratio hasn't really been affected. People who couldn't afford to pay subscription began PLEXing their accounts. The same is true in reverse for the PLEX speculation spike that happened late last year. The overall subscriber count wasn't really affected. After the Black Friday PLEX sale PLEX prices hovered steadily around 800m ISK for around 4 months.

God, I feel like such a bitter-vet ... but really I just want to reply with "Stop whining - PLEXing your account isn't for poors" Honestly though, what's the value of a PLEX right now? An afternoon of Incursions + a PI farm? That PLEX costs more than a month's sub and I'm getting the fruits of a single day's grinding for it.

The reality is that the price of PLEX isn't really going up, the people who buy PLEX are simply more wealthy.

There's an analog to this in video games.

In poorer countries (think East Europe/South America) there's far less disposable income to go around and people generally cannot afford the extravagance of $60 for a video game. To court these markets, game publishers have the option of regional pricing. ShooterMan XXII-Extreme might be $60 in the US, but is only $10 in Poland - that sort of thing.

However, once the people in the US figure out that the same game is only $10 if they set up their Steam account through a VPN the publisher has a problem. 80% of their revenue is being lost because they're now selling the game at $10 to the US as well. This is what gives rise to region locking games.

EVE doesn't have that option though. There's no concept of "charity for highsec poors" where a certain type of player gets PLEX cheaper. Everybody pays the "US" rate for their PLEX, whether they live in New York or Warsaw.

Bottom Line:
If you want to afford PLEX, figure out how other people afford PLEX and go do that thing.

PLEX subbing is intended to be for the filthy (space) rich. It is by no means an entitlement. Just be happy it's not 3b. Yet.

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Then they are realy ****** . In the past we made 30mil per hour now you can make 150mil+ per hour if that is not enough they can not be helped.
Yes I want to reduce the liquidity, we had 7years of increasing liquidity and it makes the game more themepark than sandbox.
It's not fun to run sites, there is no multiplayer element to it and it makes no sense from a storyline point of view

Indeed. They sat at a billion when I played there. I think that was about 5 years ago.

And here we are, at a billion on TQ. My heart bleeds.

2 issues.....who would in their right mind trades in a lots of RL cash for the cost of a mommie? Let me rephrase...in a controlled manner like plex to isk to ship. Ship of this cost level no less. There is that supposed link to RTM to super buying we can argue but...people doing this tend to look for deals I would hope. Not gonna delve deeper here, these conversations not liked on the boards lol.

And since the goal is to get isk....many have the isk for mommies now. If they buy them we can assume they have learned to not buy that mommy and wipe out their wallet in the process. Gonna say its a very safe assumption after the mommy buy they still have a few billion in the wallet when done. After a few years to make the isk we can safely assume they have learned and live by the one of few universal laws eve has. Don't buy what you can't afford to lose.

Also believe it or not...some players just don't want mommies. I don't. I TBH trained caps only to make a future 0.0 home happy (if I return there) and its expected a player of several years can fly caps. TBH....I did not do my cap train till like 4-5 years in game. Shows how much I wanted them right there. One of ccp's best changes in recent years was clone cost drop imo. It let me fly small ships again not worrying in the back of my mind that my clone costs can buy me a fleets of the frigate I am flying right now. Take away is some players have not made the big ships their "end game". They are quite happy flying smaller stuff.

That and CCP tried to make mommies useful in the past. You can thanks all the pilots who spammed these on hot drops on anything that moved that caused ccp to nerf them. It was reaching wtf levels of seriously? .

PLEX prices is not something CCP screwed up.

What I do think you should do is add more blue loot kind of mechanics to eve.
You should introduce ways for people to steal from or mess with incursion runners and nullsec farms as it's a much riskless farm where near everything you get goes directly to your wallet.

I wonder how well the SKINs have performed as an ISK sink...

10b is "filthy rich" still? Huh.



So much this. Provide LP, standings, security status (in addition to the clone soldiers, I'm thinking a commodity that enough of could get you up to 5.0 in order to look like a carebear if you want to for... reasons) and maybe bounties but less than presently in the form of tags that have to be handed in to the appropriate npcs to be redeemed. It generates content and apart from bounty tags none of these have intrinsic ISK value so they aren't ISK faucets at all, but depending on demand could substitute well as a reward for pve players while providing opportunities for emergent gameplay and a way for players who never pve to get standings and positive security status greater than 0.4, which can currently only be acquired by pve. Additionally if some or all of these have to be redeemed in lowsec this creates more high value traffic to lowsec.