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Decline in numbers... starting to turn into RAPID!!!

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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#181 - 2015-08-26 07:15:12 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Vic Jefferson wrote:


The other half of the problem right now is the ship meta. There are no fun fights left, or very few, since everything is so fast and kitey. Getting a good fight when all the best comps now can easily disengage or chose not to fight makes the game even more of a chore, on top of having to buy the ships in the first place.


The meta issue with EVE has always been the cycle of balance everything so its a boring clone of everything else with different flashy lights then bring out new stuff that's OP, wait till everyone starts using it then balance everything so its a boring clone of everything else with different flashy lights again. Rinse and repeat.


Yes, perhaps, but it is still more fun in a brawling meta. In the golden age of the battlecrusier, stagnant as that may have been, it at least created more opportunities for good fights than the current age of kiting and non-committing, where people just take easy kills and run. Obviously people should play smart, but it has to be absolutely miserable as a new player when everything cruiser sized has such rapid lights or super strong drones, and can go incredibly fast compared to their tackle frigs. Battlecruisers at least gave new players something easy to learn to tackle on, as opposed to what people field today.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#182 - 2015-08-26 07:34:28 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Vic Jefferson wrote:


The other half of the problem right now is the ship meta. There are no fun fights left, or very few, since everything is so fast and kitey. Getting a good fight when all the best comps now can easily disengage or chose not to fight makes the game even more of a chore, on top of having to buy the ships in the first place.


The meta issue with EVE has always been the cycle of balance everything so its a boring clone of everything else with different flashy lights then bring out new stuff that's OP, wait till everyone starts using it then balance everything so its a boring clone of everything else with different flashy lights again. Rinse and repeat.


Yes, perhaps, but it is still more fun in a brawling meta. In the golden age of the battlecrusier, stagnant as that may have been, it at least created more opportunities for good fights than the current age of kiting and non-committing, where people just take easy kills and run. Obviously people should play smart, but it has to be absolutely miserable as a new player when everything cruiser sized has such rapid lights or super strong drones, and can go incredibly fast compared to their tackle frigs. Battlecruisers at least gave new players something easy to learn to tackle on, as opposed to what people field today.




But... it was all drakes.

Sorry. Couldn't help it. Lol

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Aivo Dresden
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
WE FORM BL0B
#183 - 2015-08-26 07:36:57 UTC
The crazy inflation of PLEX prices could be related to this. It would be interesting to see the amount of purchased PLEX (for isk ingame), as a percentage of total paid subs and see their evolution.

I reckon less people PLEX now because it's getting more and more expensive. I also reckon some people just stopped paying for their alt accounts, because a 1bill a pop, it's just not feasible anymore.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#184 - 2015-08-26 09:38:00 UTC
wait til it gets to 2bil a pop Pirate
I'm sure there is some factor in there. I spent as much on dinner tonight as it would cost for a month of EVE. But you know, some people are just too above paying for a cheap game sub, not when it can be just handed to them elsewhere and taste like instant noodles.

I'm in it for the money

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Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Dracarys.
#185 - 2015-08-26 09:59:37 UTC
Patch hype. It's as if the normal bumps in price due to patch interest don't have quite enough time to reset in six weeks
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#186 - 2015-08-26 11:39:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Swaatybaatch Yesplease wrote:
- 1 member from me

reason :

poped back to eve all exited to play again since 2 real life friends wanted to try , so got myself active again about 1 - 2 weeks ago to check things out sold a toon and bought this one back since it was the one I started playing eve with , problem was the way I was greated back into the game , helped a random other player got myself blown up he shares kill right with everyone else and now after a few plex selling I am broke again that along with the awesome harassment to boot , this is just sad makes me remember why I stopped playing in the first place
It appears that you forgot, or never learned, one of the prime tenets of Eve, "trust nobody when it comes to your stuff, isk or corpse"

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worked my but off for about 10 bil and lost it all to scammers
Bearing in mind that all scams rely on one or more of the following: ignorance, avarice and level of intoxication, on the part of the victim; how is it the scammers fault that you fell for their spiel and gave them all your isk?

You're likely to get little sympathy from other players until you take responsibility for your own actions.

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my eve experience , would not recommend to my friends who are lucky since they have not subbed yet , the game is fun the players though they seem to want to keep there game to themselves then I say by all means keep your game to yourself , all my toon are marked for deletion and unsubbed if anyone wants this one you can take it for 1 isk or what ever the min amount of isk is these days .
Don't be so bitter and let your friends try Eve and make their own choices, they may enjoy the cut throat world of Eve, they may not.

Eve is not for everybody, and CCP accept that.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#187 - 2015-08-26 11:49:34 UTC
I think CCP left it much too long before trying to fix nullsec. A lot of players patience finally ran out and they gave up on null 2012-14 and they ain't coming back.

Aegis sov has done nothing to address the glaring issues facing sov null, most of which are not due to mechanics but player behaviour, which CCP can do nothing about.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.

Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#188 - 2015-08-26 11:51:19 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
The crazy inflation of PLEX prices could be related to this. It would be interesting to see the amount of purchased PLEX (for isk ingame), as a percentage of total paid subs and see their evolution.

I reckon less people PLEX now because it's getting more and more expensive. I also reckon some people just stopped paying for their alt accounts, because a 1bill a pop, it's just not feasible anymore.

Well if fewer people are playing in general that means fewer people injecting plex into the economy. Combine that with the plex manipulators and you get upward pressure on the prices. Which of course causes people to stop paying for alt accounts.

I expect 2b plex next year easily.

What I'd really like to see is how much plex is being privately held.
Hairtrigger
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#189 - 2015-08-26 12:04:05 UTC
personally not played for about 4yrs now, buti still pay my £10 a mth and keep my skills goin

why you may ask.

well, my fave time in eve was when the record was around 11k max online, so i just keep my account active in the hope eve dies and it go's back to small numbers.

used to feel massive, now it just feels small and crowded.

so keep up the good work guys, looks like my dream is coming true(slowley but surely)
Djiana Lenar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2015-08-26 12:12:26 UTC
Make it easier for new players to stay interested in the game.

Would it be to much to ask for more SP for new players so they can actually be useful?
Maybe give 5mill SP to players who subscribe out of trial accounts
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#191 - 2015-08-26 12:15:40 UTC
Djiana Lenar wrote:
Make it easier for new players to stay interested in the game.

Would it be to much to ask for more SP for new players so they can actually be useful?

It's been tried; it doesn't work. It also doesn't address the problem you describe.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#192 - 2015-08-26 12:21:59 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Patch hype. It's as if the normal bumps in price due to patch interest don't have quite enough time to reset in six weeks


I actually had wondered if the 6 week cycle has been part of it.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#193 - 2015-08-26 12:33:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Content isn't created by doing PVE in the area in which you live.


The above thing is stupid. About 2 weeks ago, I was ratting in Wicked Creek on one toon while holding my second character back to sit in a defense fleet (in a Caracal). A guy in a ceptor was flying around and some of my fleet mates had chased him. He landed in the Haven I was in and next thing I knew a cyno was up and several BLOPS came in.

I disconnected from my heavy drones, launched ECM drones, overheated my tank, starting neuting a blops all while calling for help on comms. My buddies (and my Caracal alt) landed and popped the ceptor, and a blops that was pointing me caught a lucky as hell jam from my Cetus ECM burst, and I warped that Mach out in 10% shields. The blops escaped after a short fight but also no 'good guys' died, so i count it as a win.

How in the flying **** is that not content?

Had it not been for the fact that I was terribly bored of incursions, I wouldn't have even been in null with that mach, I would have been on my alt in my other Mach making more isk in high sec, where cyno ceptors can't even get to me. By actually risking the ship with which I was making money with, I created a situation where other actual players could enjoy the game too.

You high sec apologists are way too selfish to understand why the above is proper and necessary in a game. This is why people like me win; If things stay the same, we still have safe high sec (and wormholes, and FW) to draw back to to make our isk to keep ourselves going. If things change (and people actually have to take risks to gain the kinds of gains they get now), it means that EVERYONE benifits.

The irony here is (as usual) high sec people are too dumb to understand that a proper balance helps them too (if null people can make a proper living in null , high sec people don't have to wait in line for incursion spots behind us because we aren't there, wormhole and FW guys would have to stare at all of our alts either, and renting lessens because we'd actually need ALL of our space, perhaps even opening up space for those mythical 'small alliances' we keep hearing about).
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#194 - 2015-08-26 12:51:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Had it not been for the fact that I was terribly bored of incursions, I wouldn't have even been in null with that mach, I would have been on my alt in my other Mach making more isk in high sec, where cyno ceptors can't even get to me. By actually risking the ship with which I was making money with, I created a situation where other actual players could enjoy the game too.

I see, so you're saying incursions need to be made terribly boring in order to create ~content~

Maybe more sections requiring mining

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#195 - 2015-08-26 12:59:18 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Patch hype. It's as if the normal bumps in price due to patch interest don't have quite enough time to reset in six weeks


I actually had wondered if the 6 week cycle has been part of it.

If nothing else, it seems to have had the effect of smoothing out the odd fluctuations that started to happen after Crucible. For quite some time, we had these (fairly consistent) 4–5 week periods where the daily PCUs would go from a minimum, up to a brief peak maybe 2,000 logins higher, and then go back down.

Nowadays, they tend to be more consistently going up or down over at least an entire patch cycle, often more, with only the regular and expected post-patch bumps breaking up that larger trend.
AtramLolipop
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#196 - 2015-08-26 13:07:30 UTC
It's also a good time to point out how screwed up the mechanics of null sec are.

I completely detest how easy it is for blocks to cap a high end moon in part of a region where they live no where near.

This, flying for a small close knit corp/alliance makes me want to quit the game at times, if in null sec and your alliance, block, occupies moons they should be forced to pay a little something towards the system. This is how blocks have managed to get so big. Little guy spends all day reffing structures, block brings a huge fleet and defends it and we don't seem them again until the next time we ref it or when its time to refuel and empty.

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#197 - 2015-08-26 13:13:42 UTC
AtramLolipop wrote:
It's also a good time to point out how screwed up the mechanics of null sec are.

I completely detest how easy it is for blocks to cap a high end moon in part of a region where they live no where near.

This, flying for a small close knit corp/alliance makes me want to quit the game at times, if in null sec and your alliance, block, occupies moons they should be forced to pay a little something towards the system. This is how blocks have managed to get so big. Little guy spends all day reffing structures, block brings a huge fleet and defends it and we don't seem them again until the next time we ref it or when its time to refuel and empty.



Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?
AtramLolipop
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#198 - 2015-08-26 13:15:09 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
AtramLolipop wrote:
It's also a good time to point out how screwed up the mechanics of null sec are.

I completely detest how easy it is for blocks to cap a high end moon in part of a region where they live no where near.

This, flying for a small close knit corp/alliance makes me want to quit the game at times, if in null sec and your alliance, block, occupies moons they should be forced to pay a little something towards the system. This is how blocks have managed to get so big. Little guy spends all day reffing structures, block brings a huge fleet and defends it and we don't seem them again until the next time we ref it or when its time to refuel and empty.



Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?


And that is why the game is dying....
MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
Pandemic Unicorns
#199 - 2015-08-26 13:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
Population has fallen hard since B-R, after being basically static for five years (essentially bouncing around 50k on the eveoffline graph). That was almost the endgame of years of battles though, so perhaps understandable a lot quit after it.

ISboxer changes, skill Q changes, and less need for cyno alts with current state of caps probably exaggerated things.


At least they've recognised stagnation though, and are planning ahead to shake things up. Too many people just want things to stay the same forever.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#200 - 2015-08-26 13:20:55 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
I think CCP left it much too long before trying to fix nullsec. A lot of players patience finally ran out and they gave up on null 2012-14 and they ain't coming back.

Aegis sov has done nothing to address the glaring issues facing sov null, most of which are not due to mechanics but player behaviour, which CCP can do nothing about.





People gave up on null because they got tired of being farmed.

Just look at all the fun BNI had recently.

So much fun that they couldn't take it anymore and left.

I guess its for the best, watching the new players get farmed isn't a good way to sell the game.