EVE General Discussion

Fixing isn't removing. The idea that an unbalanced thing must remain untouched 'because people will do something else' is simpyl a cop out (and a self serving one at that)

And Killboard fodder? WTF is wrong with you, how many time must you be told that I don't give a flip about that? There are enough people to kill in null for those so inclined. Again i ask, is the truth so foiregn to you that you can't understand it?

And if fixing the imbalance means risk averse null sec types can't kill as much because they are too pansy to make their isk in their own space rather than rent it out, Good, they don't deserve to be fighting in null if they can't let go of the high sec teet.

A properly functioning risk reward scheme (that we once had before CCP decided that the game didn't have enough PVE) benifits everyone, but especially people who aren't afraid to risk space pixels to make space bucks.

You are arguing against proper game design why? You don't run incursions, so CCP adjusting them doesn't affect you right? You pvp so why the interest in PVE. I'm a professional PVEr (pvp is a sideline), good and well balanced PVE is what I'd like to see, but what i can't understand is what is motivating you to flap around denying a truth that you don't even participate in.

Still - I bet people claim incursions are ruining not just null sec but the entire game. It's plain and simple the people that are spoiling null sec are the very players in null sec. You're the ones joining blobs and flocking sheep. Just because CCP took away your caps, and changed SOV so that you actually have to defend it and you actually have to use the space your have stuck your flag on.... HTFU or GTFO. This is a new era of Eve and it's clear to see from these changes how they want the game to play out over the next 10 years!

Ignoring the off-topic incursion crap...

1) MMORPGs generally are losing players. The people who grew up with them are bored of them and have less free time, and the new generation are playing games that you can pick up and play and get almost instant fun, which ties in with my next point...

2) The ratio of time spent in EVE vs reward gained compared to other games is bad. It takes too long to do things. And don't come in with your day one hero tackler crap either. I'm talking about the actual mechanics of the game itself and the training times. Just moving around the gameworld takes significant amounts of time. Finding or creating content involves lots of waiting, searching, and travel. People are losing patience with such game mechanics, they want more bang for their buck.

So what can CCP do? Probably not much without radically altering their game and causing a tsunami of vet tears. They will continue to tweak but the game market has moved on.

1) Indeed, the younger generation of players is much more instant gratification. They want to login and pick up, log out and put down. The time sink of EVE is not appealing. The time sink of WOW is also not appealing. It is a changing market, something that an already niche game like EVE is going to struggle with. World of Warships, GTA V is much preferable over the second full time job with no retirement known as Eve Online.

2) The bliss of Eve for many of us came from the Journey not the play. We all did things to grow our characters, grow our stats, grow our skills, grow our experience. Once we got to the point where we did everything, figured out what works and what doesn't we either A) don't want changes to the way things were, or B) got bored with nothing new to grow into.

#2 is a bigger problem in my opinion. Wormholes were brought to us in an expansion and the game exploded with numbers. It was probably the last great hurrah as it was truly new and uniqueish in the game of Eve... we will probably never see another transformational expansion like that again.

If you are right, then its a serious problem.

Are you talking about superpopulated markets?
How long for, and how consitently, have you been seeing this behavior?

My station experience, as for many, is mostly just dumping what I got, for whatever I can get, if its not currently too underpriced in buy orders.

One of the problems with HS markets in particular, is that they house trading alts from players otherwise occupied in ALL areas of EVE.

I dont think its bots, as it would be, to my admitedly limited understanding of these things, very difficult and nigh on impossible to design and program a bot so complex that it can run through the market interfaces for various commodities, read their prices, make any sense of that, and buy/sell accordingly. More likely is that its justnplayers far more compulsive than you or I.

Related to that, in all of EVE space, nowhere is as crammed with alts, as are HS hubs.
The amount of player interaction in Jita at peaks (and surrounding systems) in terms of station traders and economic pvp overshadows even the largest fleet battles. I cant confirm figures, but Id venture the conjecture that for atleast 50% of all of EVEs active accounts, there is 1 alt sitting in Jita.

Having said that, competition is good.
Station trading is PvP, of a sorts.
But it doesnt do justice to the wide expanse of EVE, the efforts of traders elsewhere, or the game itself, thatbso much commerce is focused in so many SECURE systems, with safe transit largely to and from of material, with so little overhead on trading itself in terms of tax.

The higher the commodity exchnage of a system, the higher its tax should be, or inversly, increase HS tax rates nominally.
Its the perfect place for an isk sink, and to promote commerce elsewhere.

A pure capitalist sentiment would say that no holds barred creates equality, through competition.
And they would be right. Jita remains absolutely the most lucrative location (in terms of competition on sale value) for just about all commodities sourced anywhere in the universe. For traders the enormous volume can produce enormous profits if they hit the sweet spot, and if not, they can hold off until it happens.

The reason for this is HS is an artificially non-dynamic environment secured by NPC control, with itself no risk/demand/amibition.
NPCs dont care if you screw them upside down or rob them blind from now till forever.
No real world market or environment operates this way, for obvious reasons, all of which included and integral in capitalist theory.

Bur is it a good thing for the game overall, that all roads, and much of product, leads to Jita?
I think its fking sad, and a failure in the system, that most anyone, anywhere, looks at eve central market rates throughout, and opts for the same end destination.

Trade and commerce needs dispersal.

HS trade tax is one way to do that.
Unfortunately Im not an economist, best I did was a B in highschool ages ago in this subject.
And its unlikely the traders benefiting from this current situation will offer alternatives, as they stand to profit from the current one.

But Id like to see trade and commodity value disperse throughout the EVE universe.
Jita has proven the capitalist ideal of no intervention.
I offer onto CCP, the suggestion that diversifying trade across many systems, may yield a higher net result, and more development and dynamism in the economics system. Inline with capitalist theory, Jita and other HS NPC hub owners should be the ones that also skim off the cream, but currently, they arent. And as an NPC entity, and essentially a isk sink, who cares.

For lore reasons promote it as HS faction shareholders wanting a larger cut of their enormous station traffic. Hardly unreasonable.
IRL any such hub would be charging enormous premiums for the privilege of doing business in their system.
This is where the capitalist theory fails to realize completely in EVE. The owners of the station are content with a pittance, despite their overwhelming demand, because they are NPCs.

" Biggest trade hub in the universe? Oh. Better charge the same as the shittiest empty trade hub in the universe!"
Makes no goddam sense.

HS hubs need economic and fiscal disconnection from LS and NS hubs, by means of tax.
As it is, this HS centric trade/production/sourcing/transport safety is hurting the game by bleeding everything, invariably, back to HS.

OMG

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You have a point. The time you need to spend searching, scouting, bookmarking, scouting again, then D-scan spamming when attempting to do WHs isn't very enjoyable.

What work? It's easier to make isk than it was years ago. The problem is, people relying on PLEX to keep them in game, so yes turn EVE into work. But hey, PLEX will hit 2 Billion+ soon enough, it will - count on it, and those that cant ISK their PLEX nor want to pay - refuse to pay ~$15/mo are going to quit, and imo good riddance

Perhaps you should personally use Google.

Ok. I just did.

Mostly I see speculative posts on various forums, and then s few sites who claim to provide one.

Are you saying you know of a program that is capable of automated buying/selling in EVE?



So you know of instances of players banned for automated buying/selling in EVE?
Not just from hearsay or reading about it or something like that?

Im cynical, nothing personal.