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New Sov -- Killing 00

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#21 - 2015-08-25 17:40:52 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Platypodes incoming

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#22 - 2015-08-25 17:40:58 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

It was so obviously awful that I am perplexed as to how it was pushed through.


I was away from the forums during the fozzie sov, but I found many people liked the ideas. Mostly those of us who wanted large ships to be sort of the command of a fleet instead of the fleet meta itself. We envisioned denser combat with frontlines with smaller ships being the mainstay, and larger fights having battleships and such supporting specialized roles. The biggest fleets still having main makeup being large ships.

Many people just saw things different. Romanticism I guess? From reading feedback stuff, I still see it as good thing long term in terms of new players and the approaches it can mean. The simple fact at current has many more people in lower cost and cheap ships is a good thing I view and will make for crazy fights as tactics develop.

Depending on what you want out of eve (helping reds or whatever) if it is that big of issue, lets discuss the meta as a gaming community. What is the composition of the typical entosis fleet now? How can a counter entosis do it? Instead of large fleet command, perhaps more free for all?


Having more people in cheap ships is not a good thing. In fact it breaks the economy. Players are sitting on huge piles of isk. For instance, if I wanted to fly t1 frigs, I probably have enough isk on hand to do that for years to come. Because of the huge isk piles, there is no incentive for veteran players to engage in isk making activities, i.e. pve. Which means there are even less folk out there in the world doing pve things, which means even less targets. In short, in view of the current state of the game, capital ships (or something like them) are needed to soak up the isk that is out there, to keep the wheels of the game spinning.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#23 - 2015-08-25 18:59:56 UTC
The new system is an amalgam of everything CSMs, leaders and players petitioned CCP for years to deliver.

It reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homer's brother let's him design the new car instead of the actual engineers, and it ends up just being a bunch of crazy features stuck together that make no sense. Then bankrupts the company.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-08-25 19:02:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Riddik Dielon wrote:
You must be a newer player with crap skills? Like Prom said the new sov changes will kill this game! Lack of content for caps and supers will make the majority of 0.0 players not want to log in and play! look at the daily log in numbers! Speaks wonders dont they?


Then come up with a new playstyle?

I understand full well. Got tons of sp with nil in industries or trading. I got cap ships not move in... Years. Doesnt bother me at all. Is all those docked pilots can do is fly cap? Is the highpoint of pvp siege mode and watching weapons cycle for an hour? Or just miss jump effect. :'(

Cap ships never really gave anything to pvp really aside from big tank buffer and slow. I figured most cap pvpers would love to actually have risk aside from a titan blob. Field your caps and sentry lulz kill all them frigate swarm. Lack of content for caps? Was no content to begin with. Caps only were used on other caps or structures. Now they are again potential centerpieces of a fleet. Caps for me wete tactical. I flew when Ideal for the fight else command ships on grid and logi were my fun of choice.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2015-08-25 19:03:58 UTC
You cannot kill that which was already dead.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#26 - 2015-08-25 19:14:43 UTC
In before "Muh rental empire!"

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-08-25 19:18:03 UTC
Since this wine thread is back I offer this narwhal song to appease the isd In hopes they shut down this crap fest.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=anM1N5oN-OM

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-08-25 19:22:27 UTC
The only thing worth hoping for is that fozziesov will finally push bittervets into unsubbing and maybe biomassing (then again, always all bark and no bite here) . It is getting seriously tiresome of reading about their pointless whining. There is only a fraction of this lot who are capable of coming with proper arguments about the weaknesses of the new system. The rest is just trash that is overdue being taken out.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#29 - 2015-08-25 19:26:26 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Markus Reese wrote:
Then come up with a new playstyle?

Old saying HTFU. Adapt or die.

And what happens when I choose death?

Summer PSU (source thread here).

2015: 21k

2014: 31k

2013: 37k

2012: 33k

2011: 35k

2010: 37k

2009: 35k

2008: 28k

2007: 24k

2006: 19k

Just something to think on.

Markus Reese wrote:
You know what frigates running around mean? Pew pew pew. Get stuff that takes out frigs.

I've done the whole frig pew pew thing - I was in GalMil when we took the entire caldari war zone, both for the first time in history, and several weeks later the second time an entire war zone fell. Here's the thing about frig pew pew: it gets stale after a while. Eventually, many players become bored of fighting nothing but low-risk frigates and dessies all day long. Some people love it, sure, but many choose to move on to other things.

Sov used to be the domain of 200+ man cruiser, T3, Capital, BS, and BC fights. I enjoyed many of those fights - those fights which are becoming increasingly rare. Now it's the domain of Ceptors and T3D's.

The problem isn't that I can't catch ceptors, I can with some success using remote sebos and the like. The problem is that hunting trollceptors all day long gets stale, fast. It's tedious low risk combat. If I wanted that, I'd go to fac war - it pays better. Hell, most of the time it isn't even combat - most trollceptors don't shoot back.

There's currently a perverse incentive in place that emphasizes smaller, faster ships in sov. We already have an arena for frigs and dessies - it's called fac war. Why do we need two fac war? And where do the people that enjoyed larger fights with bigger ships go?
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-08-25 19:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
"cannot catch interceptors..."

Aaah. Now we are getting somewhere. When I joined, frigates were a joke was the discussion and was balances over the years. So this brings up questions. Is it the sov.... Or the ships? Maybe it isnt sov but perhaps some equipment rebalance. Changes to missiles a bit more or perhaps antifrig modules like the RFLML. So cruisers that are fitted for tracking and range over dps. Near frig dps but essentially AA fire. That starts back into the dynamic fleets you mentioned and enjoyed. To be fair, that is,what I liked the best. Cruiser mainstay fleet with battleship and capital core. We gotta start from bottom and you said it. Low options for the anti frig?

Edit: propsal. All Dual style weapons. Inrease precision and tracking to be capable of anti frig duty plus buff to web drones? Maybe we need a micro scram drone/missile. Doesnt disable warp but can mess MWD.

Edit 2: In perspective, shouldnt it be more like that? Three styles so one for a size down, one for same size, one for size up in general terms. If two sizes, one for down/same other for same/up. Making dps application and choice much more dynamic. So that battleship on gate might be speced for anti cruiser operations.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#31 - 2015-08-25 19:41:46 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
"cannot catch interceptors..."

Are you blind, or just illiterate? Here's what I said in the post directly above yours. I bolded it to make it easier for you.

PotatoOverdose wrote:

The problem isn't that I can't catch ceptors, I can with some success using remote sebos and the like. The problem is that hunting trollceptors all day long gets stale, fast. It's tedious low risk combat. If I wanted that, I'd go to fac war - it pays better. Hell, most of the time it isn't even combat - most trollceptors don't shoot back.


It helps to actually read the post before replying, k thx.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-08-25 19:43:53 UTC
No, playing the game like Null Sec is the communal temple of the ever eternal friendship circle is killing Null Sec.

The new Sov and Capital changes are just making it worse.

Null sec was a giant circlejerk of boyscouts whittling sticks long before FozzieSov

Grow a pair and do a MC. backstab of BOB 2.0 and RR BS fleet your way into Dek. Drop the blues, save your 00

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2015-08-25 19:52:00 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
"cannot catch interceptors..."

Are you blind, or just illiterate? Here's what I said in the post directly above yours. I bolded it to make it easier for you.

PotatoOverdose wrote:

The problem isn't that I can't catch ceptors, I can with some success using remote sebos and the like. The problem is that hunting trollceptors all day long gets stale, fast. It's tedious low risk combat. If I wanted that, I'd go to fac war - it pays better. Hell, most of the time it isn't even combat - most trollceptors don't shoot back.


It helps to actually read the post before replying, k thx.


When a person purposefully ignores what you say (like when you explain a problem to them, like you just did), it means that acknowledging your complain would weaken their Bullshit argument lol.

You can tell them all day long that the problem isn't catching ceptors, it's boring uninspiring gameplay all day long, they won't listen. Probably because in some way they benefit from the situation being discussed (ie they are in a group that doesn't want sov but enjoys easily screwing with people anyways).

Don't let it bother you, you know the truth, that's enough.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-08-25 20:01:48 UTC
I didnt ignore. I just read and replied on mobile device and misinterperated. The points still stand. He said is boring and that it is the meta. I replied with options and considerations that can make it more dynamic and offer increased options.

If we like, we can compare posts.

You above whine and rant for nothing to change, ergo let eve get stale.

I post possible options and analysis to bring Eve to 2015 levels of gaming.

Which do you think will bring in new players and offer longer term retention in the current gaming market?

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-08-25 20:06:22 UTC
Me reading this post
http://i.imgur.com/W1ZpywT.gif

Anyone have a calzone recipie?
Also for null ratting against angles should I go rattle snake or domi?

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Commander Spurty
#36 - 2015-08-25 20:16:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Spurty
News flash.

The Mechanics changed and the game moved on.

Happens all the time.

All you look like with your moaning is "A bunch of BlockBuster customers, angry they can't rent BetaMax tapes anymore".

The guy in the griffin is having fun - what's he done wrong? He's just playing SOV 2015.

All you are saying is "we can't combat a griffin".

Evolve already.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
ISD Buldath
#37 - 2015-08-25 20:30:48 UTC
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