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Should EVE Online be reset?

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Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#181 - 2015-08-25 03:51:01 UTC
I think im about to reset.

yes

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#182 - 2015-08-25 03:54:19 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset.

The rest of you:

Don't worry, we'll pick you up on the next lap.

Heh, being picked up by Intrepid Crossing would be interesting that's for sure...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Artistul
Meet The Fockers
#183 - 2015-08-25 06:54:35 UTC
I guess you should ask CCP to create a new server. If they agree, you can go play there and I promise I won't interfere.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#184 - 2015-08-25 07:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Divine Entervention wrote:
it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset.

The rest of you:

Don't worry, we'll pick you up on the next lap.


self proclaimed prophets of EVE, teach us, show us why you are right, so we can listen once then forget it as quick as we can, we've better things to do than read the screams of doom within every post you can ram one in.

a reset would mean nothing! the leaders we have currently throughout the alliances would just reform within 24 hours and take their shite back, within 6 months they'd be more or less in control of what they need, within 1 year they'd be right back on track.

or do you guys believe everyone will follow you and you can create a much better empire than everyone else.
ya know we've all had our fair share of wannabe leaders and backseat fc's who always know better than everyone else.

so let's try keep in mind how this relationship works yea Roll

CCP provides the sandbox.

WE the players provide the content.

you can't reset this sandbox without removing the content providers (the players)

so yea,,,, you wanna take a guess on what i think of that bolloxology Roll
Tora Bushido
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#185 - 2015-08-25 08:43:44 UTC
Feawen wrote:
I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock.


If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO.


What say the general eve community?


I dont think trolling is allowed on the forums Blink At least I hope it was or you have more serious issues.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Avvy
Doomheim
#186 - 2015-08-25 09:40:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Should EVE online be reset?

If it was I wouldn't lose much in terms of sp, in fact it could benefit me.


But to answer your question, no, it should not be reset.

Main reason being the game evolves, player empires come and go the history is made by the players. If you reset, when would you reset the next time after a year. If you reset one time there's nothing stopping you from resetting again at a later date.
Presidente Gallente
Best Kept Dunked
Wreckflix and chill
#187 - 2015-08-25 10:54:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Presidente Gallente
Divine Entervention wrote:
it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset.

The rest of you:

Don't worry, we'll pick you up on the next lap.


I guess you are talking about the weirdos who have no clue, energy and patience to deal with EVE. Apart from that this discussion is absolutely senseless because CCP won't reset the game ... never ever. That's for sure. Don't worry, I'll show you the way to the next exit.
Pixel Piracy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#188 - 2015-08-25 11:41:26 UTC
Forgive me if I am repeating an already proposed idea - I did not have the patience to sit through and read all of the posts in this thread.

This is a tough one. I think a hard reset would be a bit of a kick in the face to seasoned players, however what about introducing a massive event in which high-population 0.0 space is assaulted by an almost overwhelming force? Let them go down in a blaze of glory rather than just resetting everything.
H Zub
Captain Morgan Society
#189 - 2015-08-25 11:49:44 UTC
A reset to what the database was anywhere between 2003 - 2005. Hell yeah!

Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#190 - 2015-08-25 13:06:37 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... How then do you explain those of us from the SAME 'external' circumstances...
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
... external circumstances ... internal will ...
How do you explain the greater propensity for violent crime from poor backgrounds?


I can't answer that without directly violating a forum rule (damn those rules). At the same time i realize that a person of your...beleifs.. won't accept it anyways, I've never known a "oh your poor victims" type to ever change their minds about anything, even when it's clear that while you types might mean well, what you end up doing (in real life, maybe even in the game) ends up hurting more than helping.

If you look at the basic, core, underlying reasons for 'fozzie-sov' (basically trying to 'stick it to the man' and 'level the playing field for the small guy', both of which have failed), you'll see a very clear in game example of what I'm talking about.

The perpetual 'small guys' and 'solo' types are people who lack the personal tools , will and motivation to become the (or join existing) 'big' guys (and then blamed this internal lack on an external situation.. the sov system....), no amount of gerrymandering SOV can deal with the actual problem (which is the INTERNAL preferences of the 'small guys') while the attempt to do something has done little but discourage a good number of 'big group' players who previously were perfectly at home in null (despite their complaining about 'blue donuts' and 'stagnation') because fozzie sov is just 'imported FW'.

A Reset would be the same thing,. only more extreme. The people who fail now (and blame it on 'entrenched wealthy bitter vets) would be the same people in a rest EVE as they are now: Willing to blame outside forces for failures that come from inside (them) thus never learning the lessons of their failures (which is a key to success). Their habits would lead them to the same end state: fail.

Meanwhile, in Reset EVE, the people who are rich and powerful (and got rich and powerful by being not just ruthless and cunning, but also responsible and accountable, at least to themselves) would just find new ways to stick it to the above mentioned stupid/victim types, and within less than a month the old status quo would return, with Haves having and Have-nots blaming stuff that has nothing to do with why they are have-nots.




TL;DR, people don't change, changing the crap around them is meaningless. You can take a hood-rat out of the ghetto, you can't take the ghetto out of the hood-rat.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#191 - 2015-08-25 13:43:04 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
... If you look at the basic, core, underlying reasons for 'fozzie-sov' (basically trying to 'stick it to the man' and 'level the playing field for the small guy', both of which have failed), you'll see a very clear in game example of what I'm talking about. ...
I think Fozzie SOV has exposed the fact that people don't want SOV.
There has been a distinct lack of even attempts on SOV. Simply an almost zero interest factor.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Dror
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2015-08-25 13:48:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

This whole idea is undermining the validity of SP as a problem for gameplay. Last I checked, the best progression in a video game (especially an MMO) is not money but gameplay. It's of very little conversational value that corps would rejoin in a reset, except that there is very little cause for one beyond advertising and increased competitive gameplay (little, because the same effect can be accomplished by SP disappearing).

Fresh, non-stale gameplay is an SP problem.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5990619#post5990619

"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#193 - 2015-08-25 15:19:21 UTC
Dror wrote:
... This whole idea is undermining the validity of SP as a problem for gameplay. ...
I like that even when I am too busy or not in the mood, my character is progressing in the time that I have paid for the account.
I like that I don't have to grind out XP. It is probably the largest reason that I avoid most other MMOs these days.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#194 - 2015-08-25 15:26:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... How then do you explain those of us from the SAME 'external' circumstances...
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
... external circumstances ... internal will ...
How do you explain the greater propensity for violent crime from poor backgrounds?


I can't answer that without directly violating a forum rule (damn those rules). At the same time i realize that a person of your...beleifs.. won't accept it anyways, I've never known a "oh your poor victims" type to ever change their minds about anything, even when it's clear that while you types might mean well, what you end up doing (in real life, maybe even in the game) ends up hurting more than helping.

If you look at the basic, core, underlying reasons for 'fozzie-sov' (basically trying to 'stick it to the man' and 'level the playing field for the small guy', both of which have failed), you'll see a very clear in game example of what I'm talking about.

The perpetual 'small guys' and 'solo' types are people who lack the personal tools , will and motivation to become the (or join existing) 'big' guys (and then blamed this internal lack on an external situation.. the sov system....), no amount of gerrymandering SOV can deal with the actual problem (which is the INTERNAL preferences of the 'small guys') while the attempt to do something has done little but discourage a good number of 'big group' players who previously were perfectly at home in null (despite their complaining about 'blue donuts' and 'stagnation') because fozzie sov is just 'imported FW'.

A Reset would be the same thing,. only more extreme. The people who fail now (and blame it on 'entrenched wealthy bitter vets) would be the same people in a rest EVE as they are now: Willing to blame outside forces for failures that come from inside (them) thus never learning the lessons of their failures (which is a key to success). Their habits would lead them to the same end state: fail.

Meanwhile, in Reset EVE, the people who are rich and powerful (and got rich and powerful by being not just ruthless and cunning, but also responsible and accountable, at least to themselves) would just find new ways to stick it to the above mentioned stupid/victim types, and within less than a month the old status quo would return, with Haves having and Have-nots blaming stuff that has nothing to do with why they are have-nots.




TL;DR, people don't change, changing the crap around them is meaningless. You can take a hood-rat out of the ghetto, you can't take the ghetto out of the hood-rat.


The real problem is they never accept that this is the problem. No matter how you explain it to them, it's never the real reason.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#195 - 2015-08-25 15:38:40 UTC
Yeah, if they reset the server, myself and likely many others would just quit playing.
50 mil SP is no joke to get back.

Also, myself and those people would not have stuffs for you to haves.
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2015-08-25 15:49:48 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Dror wrote:
... This whole idea is undermining the validity of SP as a problem for gameplay. ...
I like that even when I am too busy or not in the mood, my character is progressing in the time that I have paid for the account.
I like that I don't have to grind out XP. It is probably the largest reason that I avoid most other MMOs these days.

OK, but that's no gameplay. Thus, the positives of being rewarded for non-play provide no explanation for the negatives from limitations *on* play.

"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.

Colman Dietmar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#197 - 2015-08-25 15:51:35 UTC
Reset all the things, it's the only answer!
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#198 - 2015-08-25 16:03:03 UTC
Well, this will solve herontocracy problem for a time being. Also, this will help to get rid of gimmicks like t2 bpos and finally ditch abominations like mines.
There are few concerns though.
1)"Community-borns" (Gewns and other big meanies) will get back in power in no time, meeting no match outside other "community-borns". Because most of their comms are outside the house anyway.
2)Wild market fluctuations unprotected by any kind of buffer. Who will prevail? Again, big meanies like gewns.
Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#199 - 2015-08-30 13:12:03 UTC
Sneaks into the topic, places a Smartbomb Shocked


..../warps out Pirate

EVEBoard ...Just over 60million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"

Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2015-08-30 13:16:39 UTC
Eve is long overdue for a new engine. All they can do is reskin old mechanics, and call it "new content"

New engine first, then reset.