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Caracal L2 fit

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Brandt Durandos
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-08-24 13:45:56 UTC
Hey all,

I'm looking for some guidance on a Caracal fit. I have pasted one below that I believe would work ok but wanted to ask some advice on it before I go out and spend ISK on it. According to EFT I have the needed skills, CPU and PG to run it.

Does this look ok? Is there anything that can be improved?
Have I done something which is a big no-no?
I would be using this for Level 2 missions. There is a part of me that thinks I should swap out the hardeners for mission type dmg hardeners?

I'm more used to Gallente and armour tanking than shield tanking so this is a bit new for me. Also, I can't fit T2 items yet but that's something I can work on as my skills improve.

[Caracal, Caracal T1 L2]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I

10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender I
Large Shield Extender I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

--Brandt
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#2 - 2015-08-24 13:50:13 UTC
Shouldnt need specific shield mods per mission, the caracal is able to do L3's too with relative ease but perhaps not with that fitting. I would be tempted to change it to an active tank with less focus on passive regen.

Also look into meta mods to replace the tech 1 stuff will be better and easier fitting. the launchers would cost more than the rest of the ship so dont put them to meta 4 unless you want to but the rest id try to bump to meta 4
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#3 - 2015-08-24 13:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Brandt Durandos wrote:
Hey all,

I'm looking for some guidance on a Caracal fit. I have pasted one below that I believe would work ok but wanted to ask some advice on it before I go out and spend ISK on it. According to EFT I have the needed skills, CPU and PG to run it.

Does this look ok? Is there anything that can be improved?
Have I done something which is a big no-no?
I would be using this for Level 2 missions. There is a part of me that thinks I should swap out the hardeners for mission type dmg hardeners?

I'm more used to Gallente and armour tanking than shield tanking so this is a bit new for me. Also, I can't fit T2 items yet but that's something I can work on as my skills improve.

[Caracal, Caracal T1 L2]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I

10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender I
Large Shield Extender I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

--Brandt

Lv2s are just frig NPCs right? Maybe look at using Rapid Light launchers as the caracal gets bonuses to those too. Would be worth it to get T2 lights + launchers as the training time isnt that long. The rest looks good for LV2s, just work on getting those core skills up (PG, CPU, CAP, Tank)

Also yes, Meta invuls, shield extenders and AB/MWD and I think arbalest Rapid lights aren't that expensive will go a long way to make up for lack of fitting skills. Maybe try something like this? Not sure how bad your fitting skills really are ;)

[Caracal, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Mark I Compact Power Diagnostic System

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Hobgoblin I x2

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Brandt Durandos
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-08-24 14:11:31 UTC
Just had another look and came up with something very similar to yours... (somewhat reassuring Big smile)

[Caracal, Caracal Test]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Cross-linked Bolt Array I
Cross-linked Bolt Array I
Cross-linked Bolt Array I

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#5 - 2015-08-24 15:04:19 UTC
I know the cross linked bolt arrays are unnecessarily expensive. Maybe train for T2 Ballistic controls first so you can skip the meta ones.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#6 - 2015-08-25 00:36:40 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
I know the cross linked bolt arrays are unnecessarily expensive. Maybe train for T2 Ballistic controls first so you can skip the meta ones.


not really, meta bcus used to be stupid expensive but the prices have come down sometime in the last 5 years. the 'Pandemonium' one is still silly expensive, but the other meta ones are pretty reasonably priced.

that said the fit looks pretty good, and should do alright.

the 4 low caracal is much nicer than the 2 low version I had to use P

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#7 - 2015-08-25 09:25:03 UTC
ugh the reload times on rapid launchers though...

Will gank for food

Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#8 - 2015-08-25 13:11:48 UTC
You probably shouldn't use Caracal for PvE stuff. Damage is not that bright with RLMLs, reload time is serious kick in the nuts. Heavies or Hams? Nah, even worse. They can't apply damage to smaller targets well (Expect your damage butchered in half even before we'll talk about ELITE frigates) and can't stay for long against cruisers.

Best ship for the job will be cormorant. That double optimal will get you somewhere around 15km with not perfect skills and without tracking comps/enhancers on 125mm rails. By splitting weapons in 2-3-3 groups, you may wreck smaller foes simply as you fly to your objectives.

Occasional ECM will make you cry though. And you may have hard time doing Damsel or Mission of Mercy without occasional warpouts.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#9 - 2015-08-25 14:52:04 UTC
RLM has high burst damage specifically aimed at frig damage that's balanced by long reload times so they're the better option when dealing with elite frigs. Considering the pilots low skills taking a destroyer into many of the lv2s is a bad idea. His best bet is to follow the normal new bro progression of frig/dess lv1, cruiser lv2, BC lv3 and BB lv4. This way he can focus his skills on increasing damage because he's overtanking in a bigger ship.

Though getting T2 tank before jumping into a BB is a really good idea ;)

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-08-25 17:53:57 UTC
RLM is fine for level 2s, missions are so short that the single reload should be enough for the entire thing and you still have drones to do some of the legwork
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#11 - 2015-08-25 19:47:23 UTC
although if you do fit heavy missiles a few missile guidance enhancers and/or missile guidance computers, with some rigor rigs will probably make the heavy missiles hit pretty well. I remember zonking lv3s with fury missiles, although that drake appears to have large rigs so I'm not sure how relevant that is. the frigs in lv2s are much weaker in general.

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