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confused about proj. ammo
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2015-08-23 15:17:06 UTC
Cristl wrote:
Hail does 92.5% more damage than depleted uranium. It's 208% more than the long-range ammo types, and when was the last time you used those in an autocannon?
Actually, it turns out that I should probably look at the right size when calculating differences… OopsLol

That said, the point remains: it's still a hefty boost over the ammo it's based on, so having a couple of drawbacks is to be expected. Doubly so when you consider the vague trend that short-range T2 ammo is meant for larger targets.
Gleb Koskov
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-08-24 22:15:34 UTC
I don't like how Minmatar weapons are marketed with being the best at "selectable damage" when you have gallente drone ships being able field any damage type they desire.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#23 - 2015-08-24 22:21:47 UTC
Just be glad it's not lasers. At least you can throw in some faction ammo and get respectable dps with a variety of damage types, instead of being pigeonholed.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#24 - 2015-08-24 22:25:05 UTC
Gleb Koskov wrote:
I don't like how Minmatar weapons are marketed with being the best at "selectable damage" when you have gallente drone ships being able field any damage type they desire.

Minmatar ships, and weapons, were designed to attack Amarr ships... and vice versa.

Same for Gallente (in-your-face) vs. Caldari (sniping).

CCP has made balance passes to remove most of these racial differences, but still leaving things like damage types.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#25 - 2015-08-24 22:27:35 UTC
Wait.. there is projectile ammo other than RF EMP?!?!?!





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Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#26 - 2015-08-24 22:54:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
That's a lie.

Even though it says it's the variation of depleted uranium, it's obviously a version of fusion ammo, just like void is version of anti-matter.

It's not really a lie — it is just what it is, and it is very specifically not like AM → Void.

Yes, functionally, it's closer to that relationship, but as you point out, it is a variation of DU.

It is exactly like the AM -> Void relationship.

Fusion gets the same penalties AM gets, and Hail gets the same penalties Void gets. Also Fusion deals a total of 12 damage (S type) and AM deals 12 damage. Hail deals 14.4 damage, Void deals 14.4 damage. And finally, if Hail was based on DU, it would deal its damage in three types like DU instead of two.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-08-24 23:35:32 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Wait.. there is projectile ammo other than RF EMP?!?!?!







Yes. It's called RF phased plasma. Bitches love thermal damage.Big smile

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2015-08-25 03:50:55 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:

It is exactly like the AM -> Void relationship.
…except that DU is nothing like AM, which in turn means the relationship DU → Hail simply can't follow the same pattern.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-08-25 06:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Speaking of projectile ammo, am I really the only one who is annoyed by the inconsistencies regarding caliber and ammo size?

125 mm - small
150 mm - small
Dual 180 mm - medium
200 mm - small
220 mm - medium
250 mm - small
280 mm - small
425 mm - medium
Dual 425 mm - large
650 mm - medium
Dual 650 mm - large
720 mm - medium
800 mm - large

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#30 - 2015-08-25 07:18:33 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Speaking of projectile ammo, am I really the only one who is annoyed by the inconsistencies regarding caliber and ammo size?

125 mm - small
150 mm - small
Dual 180 mm - medium
200 mm - small
220 mm - medium
250 mm - small
280 mm - small
425 mm - medium
Dual 425 mm - large
650 mm - medium
Dual 650 mm - large
720 mm - medium
800 mm - large


now that's confusing

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2015-08-25 09:11:03 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Speaking of projectile ammo, am I really the only one who is annoyed by the inconsistencies regarding caliber and ammo size?
Naaaah.

You have to remember that 4–5 of those different calibers all fire the same ammo… somehow.
And that if you compare caliber and volume, it turns out that you're actually shooting pancakes. P

So the absolute weirdness is pretty consistent.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#32 - 2015-08-25 10:32:47 UTC
From a PvE point of view I use the following ammo. Note I currently blitz in a mach (that 3sec ROF yo). On the one hand Faction ammo in that thing costs a LOT on the other its not like I shoot at a lot of ships and sometimes its just BCs and frigs so I need to go back and recheck faction ammo costs vs advantages.

EMP: Most used. Drones, Sansha, Blood
Phased Plasma: Mercs and Serpentis
Hail: Least used. Only using it for Angels pirate invasion (need to kill 8 I think BS all clustered together, perfect for Hail)
Barrage: Least Used. Only using it for EOM Gone bezerk because of range, damage and price compared to RF SAbot while still having high Kin %.

When I was running my vargur and running larger variety of missions and running it out in Minmitar space I only used the 3 faction short range ammo with Barrage. Sometimes I'd used RF Sabot but Barrage really is better most of the time.

In PvP I've used barrage, Phased plasma, Fusion, EMP, Sabot and I think Nuclear, all Faction. Oh and quake/tremor on arty ships as well as in incursions obviously.

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Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#33 - 2015-08-25 18:16:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:

It is exactly like the AM -> Void relationship.
…except that DU is nothing like AM, which in turn means the relationship DU → Hail simply can't follow the same pattern.

That's because you're still looking at DU when the real source is Fusion.
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