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Inquiry to the Society of Conscous Thought.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2015-08-22 17:06:55 UTC
Petrified wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Data inquiry to The Society of Conscious Thought
Attention to Idmei Sver
Priority: High

My condolences regarding the destruction of the SoCT ship piloted by Mentor Raish. We understand that Matshi Raish obtained data regarding Empress Jamyl Sarum and were hoping that this was transmitted prior to the destruction of Mentor Raish's Gnosis. As a favor to an alumnus and supporter of the Society of Conscious Though, I request on behalf of myself and my corporation that you would share this data to confirm or disprove long-term suspicions we have held regarding the Empress.

Additionally, further information is requested regarding the Society's knowledge of the Drifters and if they are a threat or ally to the Society. We do not want to alienate a potential ally, especially if our causes align.


Yours,
Petrified - CEO of Old and Petrified Syndicate.


As an alumnus of the SoCT, you should feel ashamed to make such a demand out of simple privilege or title, sir.

Knowledge has to be earned.


And when we craved the truth we would open it up and let the grains wash over us. We would soak ourselves in its depth and bask in its radiance.
But the book is flawed. We can take more truth from it than we have earned. And soon we would be turning empty pages.

You assume it was not earned. Such foolishness. Why should I spill what grains of sand so openly for your perusal, for you who have not earned it?

Quote:
Yet we continue the search, for the searching has become a way of life for us. We know no other. It is what we’ve become.
Let us only hope the search never ends, that the Absolute Truth stays hidden forever. For if the search ends, we end.


Your grasp on Hoje's words is failing, and it is clearly showing that you are a petty opportunist sir.

You are no alumnus, you are a fraud.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#22 - 2015-08-22 17:38:02 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:


Your grasp on Hoje's words is failing, and it is clearly showing that you are a petty opportunist sir.

You are no alumnus, you are a fraud.



And you are an alumnus?

You should probably get your affairs in order and expect a knock on your door soon.

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#23 - 2015-08-22 17:47:10 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:


You should probably get your affairs in order and expect a knock on your door soon.



Reactionaries, vigilantes, and paranoids?

I know the Kingdom can do better than this.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2015-08-22 17:53:02 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:


Your grasp on Hoje's words is failing, and it is clearly showing that you are a petty opportunist sir.

You are no alumnus, you are a fraud.



And you are an alumnus?

You should probably get your affairs in order and expect a knock on your door soon.



Yes I am, that is no secret, but I am not sure to understand your last point... ?
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#25 - 2015-08-22 17:56:41 UTC


Makoto Priano wrote:
Sinti Vailatti wrote:


You should probably get your affairs in order and expect a knock on your door soon.



Reactionaries, vigilantes, and paranoids?

I know the Kingdom can do better than this.

Lyn Farel wrote:


Yes I am, that is no secret, but I am not sure to understand your last point... ?



Not from the Khanid specifically. We are better.

But reactionaries, vigilantes and paranoids? Yep.

People want to know why and there are a lot of arrows pointing towards the SoCT. Things like this happen and witch hunts are a usual consequence.



“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2015-08-22 18:06:21 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:


People want to know why and there are a lot of arrows pointing towards the SoCT. Things like this happen and witch hunts are a usual consequence.



Please, do lay out your masses of evidence.

Because right now, I only see a few data points that could even be interpreted as circumstantial evidence, and not a single piece of incontrovertible evidence.

Oh, and by the way? 'Witch hunt' is usually a pejorative. Those who engage in witch hunts are usually regarded as ignorant, buffoonish, and unnecessarily hateful.

Just saying.

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Yockerbow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-08-22 19:42:46 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:

People want to know why and there are a lot of arrows pointing towards the SoCT.



What arrows? Drifter activity has been mainly focused on Amarr space, and more specifically on the Empress' own activities and interests, since long before the incident with Mentor Raish.

As I've said before, they are acting like they smell something rotten in Amarr; their other activities in the cluster seem innocuous in comparison and appear to just be trying to discern the extent of contamination. The Society is not blind to this and likely simply sought to discover for themselves the source of the Drifter interest in Jamyl. There's zero actual evidence for collusion.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#28 - 2015-08-22 19:45:15 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:
There's this thing we got now called "Idiom." Cool


I need me one'a them.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#29 - 2015-08-22 20:11:46 UTC
As Alumni to the Society, we are just that: graduated students.

We are not privy to any more information than the rest of the cluster, no matter how much we may wish to learn more. Our only option is to look for ourselves and devote our minds to uncovering these secrets on our own.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#30 - 2015-08-22 20:15:46 UTC
Yeah, I get that.

Apologies for the syntax, I wasn't trying to imply a threat from us, just a generalized threat from many quarters that are going to be looking for an easy scapegoat.

Bells have been tolling non-stop from the Temples of Khanid while people dance in the streets in Hek. I guess I'm not feeling optimistic for the near future.

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#31 - 2015-08-22 21:00:53 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
As Alumni to the Society, we are just that: graduated students.

We are not privy to any more information than the rest of the cluster, no matter how much we may wish to learn more. Our only option is to look for ourselves and devote our minds to uncovering these secrets on our own.


At this point, unless the Empress is recovering "miraculously" as she did from her trials, there are no further opportunities to scan her as Mentor Raish had done. Without covertly stealing her body for research or attempting to hack the Society's databases (you know you tried when you were a student and recall how that went) then the only avenue left is to ask the source, politely, if they are willing to share that information.

As for Lyn Farel's curious attacks on my person, she is obviously distraught over the death of her Empress and is not considering the accuracy of her words at all. Some people may disagree with Hoje's perspective despite their training with the Society. When I was last there, it was not frowned upon to pursue threads of truth even if they are not in agreement with the conclusions of Hoje. But perhaps that has changed since I left.

Quote:

Let us only hope the search never ends, that the Absolute Truth stays hidden forever. For if the search ends, we end.
Then we become nothing more than dust, specks of sand on the shore of universal lie.
And maybe, just maybe, this has already happened.


Has your search already ended? I still pursue. Why do you try to dissuade me? Do you fear that your Empress may not be all that is said of her and thus hope she remains one of those mysteries? There is more to her, I am sure of it, but apart from circumstantial evidence, I cannot expressly claim more than there is. Have your Amarrian traditions overridden your most basic curiosity?

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-08-23 09:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Sir, you are just making an entitled fit to get information... There is nothing more to it, really. You are acting like a Sanctuary loyalist.

I guess I deserved the counter ad-personam, though I can assure you that I was more distraught as you say, by what happened with the incident around Mentor Raish, as exemplified by my post on the matter on that forum.

My search continues more than anything else sir. And I still maintain that you understand very little about Gorda Hoje's writings. You are falling right into the traps he exposes.

I am not even sure what the late Empress has to do with it ? What are those fallacies for ? What are your prejudices about Amarr for ? What do you think Scriptures are ?

I think I have been called many things but I have to admit that it is a first that I am called out for a... lack of curiosity...? Really... ?
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2015-08-23 09:52:41 UTC
Uh... look...

I am not used to call down people like that and while I may have... disagreement and a bit of a shock reading you... I do not see it worth continuing that mudslinging.

I apologize for having brought up the subject sir.
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#34 - 2015-08-24 20:16:07 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Uh... look...

I am not used to call down people like that and while I may have... disagreement and a bit of a shock reading you... I do not see it worth continuing that mudslinging.

I apologize for having brought up the subject sir.


Your apology is accepted and your 'mudslinging' forgiven. People differ over methods and their earnestness to discover and all must overcome their own bias in their search.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2015-08-24 22:23:08 UTC
I still feel ashamed reading my own words.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.
Solu Terona
Alexylva Paradox
#36 - 2015-08-25 02:30:03 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
There wasn't weirdness from the Empire side. He was ordered to stop in the Empire territory by the armed vessel with authority power. He refused to comply and was destroyed. Rather typical response.

What was really weird, that he refused to comply, like it was a military action AGAINST the Empire.

As much as i like needling Kimmy, I'm with her on this one. ALL wars are fought with knowledge, to deliberately walk up and take data on an imperial flagship during a public event, a TITAN no less. I'm more surprised that SOCT wasn't officially evicted from all Amarrian held space and hunted down like rabid slaver hounds.

Humans must eventually break out from the limits of biology, its not radical to accept the inevitable.

Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#37 - 2015-08-25 04:41:09 UTC
Solu Terona wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
There wasn't weirdness from the Empire side. He was ordered to stop in the Empire territory by the armed vessel with authority power. He refused to comply and was destroyed. Rather typical response.

What was really weird, that he refused to comply, like it was a military action AGAINST the Empire.

As much as i like needling Kimmy, I'm with her on this one. ALL wars are fought with knowledge, to deliberately walk up and take data on an imperial flagship during a public event, a TITAN no less. I'm more surprised that SOCT wasn't officially evicted from all Amarrian held space and hunted down like rabid slaver hounds.


I am not entirely sure when an opportunity to scan the Empress would otherwise come up apart from a scheduled public event. Given her reclusive nature, it seemed the only opportunity to do so. Whether or not that information was used by the drifters is debatable. You need factual evidence to support such a claim than coincidence.

Why did it take so long for Empress to deal with the "threat" of being scanned?
Once the information was obtained, what gain was there in destroying Mentor Raish? The information was likely transmitted in anticipation of destruction. If the information was not transmitted prior to the destruction, then it would be impossible for the Drifters to have used it against Empress Jamyl. Even if the information was transmitted, there is no evidence to link the latter Drifter attack to the actions of Mentor Raish.

The Society may be as curious about the Empress as myself - especially given the intense interest of the Drifters and their concentration in Amarr space.

Given Amarrian politics and the number of influential Amarrians who were educated by the Society, it is unlikely that the Society would ever be evicted from Amarr space.

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