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What if yanala decided to DD caldari prime

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solrac lara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-07-25 01:51:50 UTC
So im curious what would ve happened if admiral yanala decided to say fk this im taking everyone with me and decided to DD caldari prime or just go full kamikaze and crash the titan against the planet at max speed with everything on.
What would ve been the effects of such action ? i mean both geographically and politically how the planet would ve ended and how the federation and the other empires would ve reacted to such action even the jovians and would caldari prime be still habitable ?
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#2 - 2015-07-25 11:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
Most certainly the planet would be uninhabitable for several years at the very least. There is one example of doomsdaying a planet (Reschard V) in the lore, and it made it impossible to land on the planet for a whole year - incredibly, some few thousand people survived the year long "nuclear winter" and massive dust and magnetic storms.

Also the fact that the Shiigeru's reactors went offline before crash landing was a blessing in disguise, as I remember someone analyzing it and coming to the conclusion that had they've been online during the crash (read: uncontrolled shutdown) it would've been almost as bad as another doomsday.

As for how other empires would've reacted, that's anyone's guess. Depends on if Heth could've spun the story in such a way that the Gallente destroyed Caldari Prime, it might've sparked an open war. But that's all guesswork really.
Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
#3 - 2015-07-25 18:47:01 UTC
Hahahaha... Yeah, I'm pretty sure we'd be at full out war with the Gallente Federation again (with or without Heth's lies)...
solrac lara wrote:
So im curious what would ve happened if admiral yanala decided to say fk this im taking everyone with me and decided to DD caldari prime or just go full kamikaze and crash the titan against the planet at max speed with everything on.
I'm fairly certain she wouldn't have gone full kamikaze on her own home world...
Her decision to not Doomsday (also violating Heth's direct order; good for her btw) was because of Caldari Prime... I'm sure if the Admiral could have moved her Titan away from the planet before it got destroyed she would have even done that...

I care to remember this fallen Caldari hero as just that...

not the murderous psychopath you're so callously trying to imagine her as...

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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#4 - 2015-07-25 19:05:23 UTC
I found it odd that Heth would order the DDing the Caldari home planet if the result would have been global annihilation. Even more so that any Caldari would follow the order if this would have been the result. It doesnt seem all that logical to me personally.

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Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#5 - 2015-07-25 21:35:02 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
I found it odd that Heth would order the DDing the Caldari home planet if the result would have been global annihilation. Even more so that any Caldari would follow the order if this would have been the result. It doesnt seem all that logical to me personally.


That's exactly the point, Heth wasn't in a logical state of mind. :)

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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#6 - 2015-07-25 23:45:02 UTC
Oh sure, I won't pretend that Heth was physically or mentally on the up and up, especially considering his extreme paranoia but the article shows Heth was taking measures to ensure that his Derjes never progressed any more. Further more the Chronicle where Yanala is forced to comitte suicide the fate of planets population or destruction of its ability to sustain furthet life never came into play an issue.

Considering how sacred Home is in Caldari culture, especially for the patriots running the war effort it just always sounded suspect at the degree of complete destruction a lot of people were making it out to be as if Yanala had gone through with the attack. I believe she cites other Caldari forces being in the area as a reason for holding out, but I cant verify at the moment.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
solrac lara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-07-29 13:59:19 UTC
Enya Sparhawk wrote:
Hahahaha... Yeah, I'm pretty sure we'd be at full out war with the Gallente Federation again (with or without Heth's lies)...
solrac lara wrote:
So im curious what would ve happened if admiral yanala decided to say fk this im taking everyone with me and decided to DD caldari prime or just go full kamikaze and crash the titan against the planet at max speed with everything on.
I'm fairly certain she wouldn't have gone full kamikaze on her own home world...
Her decision to not Doomsday (also violating Heth's direct order; good for her btw) was because of Caldari Prime... I'm sure if the Admiral could have moved her Titan away from the planet before it got destroyed she would have even done that...

I care to remember this fallen Caldari hero as just that...

not the murderous psychopath you're so callously trying to imagine her as...


Oh wait im not imgining her as a psychopath is more a what if situation if he decided to follow tibus orders just that. I know she was an hero and everything.
CCP Falcon
#8 - 2015-08-03 20:21:40 UTC
solrac lara wrote:
Oh wait im not imgining her as a psychopath is more a what if situation if he decided to follow tibus orders just that. I know she was an hero and everything.


Then there'd be no more life on Caldari Prime. Smile

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solrac lara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-08-04 00:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: solrac lara
CCP Falcon wrote:
solrac lara wrote:
Oh wait im not imgining her as a psychopath is more a what if situation if he decided to follow tibus orders just that. I know she was an hero and everything.


Then there'd be no more life on Caldari Prime. Smile



Oh god it would be that bad Shocked?! i mean in the reschard V incident there were some survivors, i mean a bit of them but still. If titans are so dangerous how concord keeps capsulers from DDing planets in null sec im sure those planets on null sec have populations living there,are titans built with some sort of fail safe device that stops them from just transforming the planet in a ball of glass, same for ammo technically speaking railgun projectiles should be traveling till they hit something im sure alot of projectiles launched in the battle of caldari prime probably missed and im ain a scientist but im sure a 1000mm Antimatter warhead traveling at a fraction of c would make some damage on a planets surface Sad and for the people living there.
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2015-08-04 11:29:36 UTC
solrac lara wrote:
but im sure a 1000mm Antimatter warhead traveling at a fraction of c would make some damage on a planets surface Sad and for the people living there.
It would depend on how much anti-matter was in the shell - it wouldn't gain a larger destructive ability because it is moving fast, as it has a certain amount of energy it can annhilate before it is all expended.

That said, if the round managed to penetrate the crust of the planet and get somewhere close to the mantle, then it would be more catastrophic to the structual integrity of the planet and that point you've just ruined the local area more than eradicating life on that planet.

However, such a penetration would be extremely hard to produce, if not impossible with the guns we have - the railguns in Eve are only flinging those projectiles a few km's a sec, and it would only bury itself a few dozen metres into the ground before detonating.

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Aeon Amadii
#11 - 2015-08-04 12:52:00 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
solrac lara wrote:
Oh wait im not imgining her as a psychopath is more a what if situation if he decided to follow tibus orders just that. I know she was an hero and everything.


Then there'd be no more life on Caldari Prime. Smile


Might have been an optimal turn-out considering the Federation lost the battle planetside xD

Albeit, we didn't have the ability to choose who we fought for during Caldari Prime, so I still call BS x3

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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#12 - 2015-08-04 21:23:08 UTC
Aeon Amadii wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
solrac lara wrote:
Oh wait im not imgining her as a psychopath is more a what if situation if he decided to follow tibus orders just that. I know she was an hero and everything.


Then there'd be no more life on Caldari Prime. Smile


Might have been an optimal turn-out considering the Federation lost the battle planetside xD

Albeit, we didn't have the ability to choose who we fought for during Caldari Prime, so I still call BS x3


It wouldn't have been expedient, but technically you could chose which side to fight for by leaving the DUST 514 battle and re-entering for another deployment each time you were placed on the side you didn't want to support.

@ Falcon, you guys obviously know what would have happened had Yanala DDed the planet so there is no point debating it, and despite the event being somewhat railroaded I have to thank God that didn't play. Oye.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
solrac lara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-08-04 21:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: solrac lara
Arline Kley wrote:
solrac lara wrote:
but im sure a 1000mm Antimatter warhead traveling at a fraction of c would make some damage on a planets surface Sad and for the people living there.
It would depend on how much anti-matter was in the shell - it wouldn't gain a larger destructive ability because it is moving fast, as it has a certain amount of energy it can annhilate before it is all expended.

That said, if the round managed to penetrate the crust of the planet and get somewhere close to the mantle, then it would be more catastrophic to the structual integrity of the planet and that point you've just ruined the local area more than eradicating life on that planet.

However, such a penetration would be extremely hard to produce, if not impossible with the guns we have - the railguns in Eve are only flinging those projectiles a few km's a sec, and it would only bury itself a few dozen metres into the ground before detonating.


Yeah but i mean even one KG of antimatter should be enough to blow up a city assuming that the projectile itself doesnt desintegrate in atmosphere or something like that. I mean the thing shooted by gallente dreads is bigger than the 800 mm projectiles used in the gustav cannon which weighted 7 tons and at the very least it should go at 300km/sec ( going by the failling skies chronicle where a railgun planet defense turret hits a carrier 300 km away on space so at the very least said projectiles would have a kinetic energy of 3.15e+14 J or like 75 kilotons and that assuming there is no antimatter and the damage is just coming from the kinetic energy.

I am sure that the number is bigger than that, if titans can tank survive weapons capable of wipiing a planet clean of life we are talking abaut stuff like the K-T event of even worst (in old pictures of reschard prime you see firestorms covering areas bigger than earth surface if we go by the dimensions given in name where reschard V is 5 times bigger than eart) 75 KT impacts would tickle their defenses you are going to need some big numbers to hurt that . So if that thing hits somewhere in any city you are going to ruin somoeones day. for that reason i have the theory that projectiles have inbuilt self destruct devices to blow theirselves up if they doesnt hit anything after certain time of travel to avoid vaporizing the cities you are trying to protect.
CCP Falcon
#14 - 2015-08-24 21:24:24 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Aeon Amadii wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
solrac lara wrote:
Oh wait im not imgining her as a psychopath is more a what if situation if he decided to follow tibus orders just that. I know she was an hero and everything.


Then there'd be no more life on Caldari Prime. Smile


Might have been an optimal turn-out considering the Federation lost the battle planetside xD

Albeit, we didn't have the ability to choose who we fought for during Caldari Prime, so I still call BS x3


It wouldn't have been expedient, but technically you could chose which side to fight for by leaving the DUST 514 battle and re-entering for another deployment each time you were placed on the side you didn't want to support.

@ Falcon, you guys obviously know what would have happened had Yanala DDed the planet so there is no point debating it, and despite the event being somewhat railroaded I have to thank God that didn't play. Oye.


ugh. "railroaded".

The titan wasn't the be all and end all of that event, and wasn't the deciding factor in who "won"... in reality, its destruction was only a piece of a puzzle that's far greater. That puzzle is still on the table, being put together piece by piece.

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solrac lara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-08-25 01:05:34 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Aeon Amadii wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
solrac lara wrote:
Oh wait im not imgining her as a psychopath is more a what if situation if he decided to follow tibus orders just that. I know she was an hero and everything.


Then there'd be no more life on Caldari Prime. Smile


Might have been an optimal turn-out considering the Federation lost the battle planetside xD

Albeit, we didn't have the ability to choose who we fought for during Caldari Prime, so I still call BS x3


It wouldn't have been expedient, but technically you could chose which side to fight for by leaving the DUST 514 battle and re-entering for another deployment each time you were placed on the side you didn't want to support.

@ Falcon, you guys obviously know what would have happened had Yanala DDed the planet so there is no point debating it, and despite the event being somewhat railroaded I have to thank God that didn't play. Oye.


ugh. "railroaded".

The titan wasn't the be all and end all of that event, and wasn't the deciding factor in who "won"... in reality, its destruction was only a piece of a puzzle that's far greater. That puzzle is still on the table, being put together piece by piece.


I think the outcome was the best, the gallente kicked the titan away which meant that they diidnt have to live with the fear of retaliation from the caldari bombing their cities and the caldari got a piece of their home planet, and a neutral organization was put in charge of the place to avoid futher confrontations.

Thats why i wanted to make this thread to know what would ve happened if things havent been so nice as they were, not just what would ve happened to the planet ( since no life is a bit ambiguous and i kinda like phyisics and explosions so i was a bit intrested) but the political repercusions of such act. i mean how would the other empires ve reacted to such act how the jove would ve reacted all that stuff, it would ve make a tragic yet intresting history too i guess.