EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

It's funny, this is the exact kind of weasel word bull that hydra were spouting when they got banned the last time. They know they dont have any moral highground, so they resort to trolling and name calling.

They know theyre trying to bend the rules, we know theyre trying to bend the rules, its just a question of whether ccp will come in and lay the smackdown.

two main reasons are the insane fits of the etana and theneuts and the tank of the malice.

Understandable if there are rules you use them, i don't begrudge you this. Much respect for realizing the problem and admitting it.

Hm, so it's actually not a case of AT ships being too powerful compared to others, but rather that a select few AT ships are just too strong compared to the point cost?

Lol, the hypocrisy of you guys calling us out for having an uber advantage while running 2 teams is astounding.

For the record, i did the math. The best unique assault frigates are worth 2x the point cost of t2 assault frigates. The worst are about 1.3.

The best cruisers are worth about 1.5x the point cost of other t2 cruisers, with the exception of the etana which is pricelss compared to the others (who own them again?)

In terms of making them a higher point cost for next year, this potentially might be an answer. But people won't use them if you make them too high.

If you think CCP hasn't thought about this before, youre mental. Why do you think they distributed the AT ships more fairly? The more teams that have them, the less advantage the big teams have. It just takes time.

The only really OP ship that no other team has proper access to is the adrestia, and thats virtually useless this year, so I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill.

What needs fixing is the goddamn collusion rules so we can have a fair tournament.

Remember, we didnt bring ANY unique ships against any of the lower tier teams. They had as much chance based on shiptypes as everyone else.

Guys I just want to apologise for Mr Rive's bad posting ok, thanks

The points cost I did on a piece of paper which ive lost. If you take the malice as an example though, you can see why a heavily tanked sentinel mixed with a heavily tanked tackle frigate is worth at least 1.5x the points.

As for the collusion stuff, nothing will get done about it until after the tournament anyway, and then we will have more proof of it too. It's too late for them to backtrack on it, because they're already both in the finals effectively at this point.

Wait till after the tournament. People are getting sick of this, I expect ccp to come out with a rules clarification for next year.

In regards to collusion, i understand it is hard to prove but without an event showing collusion it would be like judging guilty before any crime happened (psychopass) and that can't really be done yet nor should it be done. But if it does happen a extreme penalty must be dealt such that it will never happen again. More rules should be put out regardless.

As to the malice for example, you said 1.5x the points for a malice, but i believe this is to low because you do get a curse worth of neuts and at a faster cycle with more tank. i think it would more around 2.5. for the amount of pure ownage it brings to the battlefield. But that is what makes this part subjective based on what you judge about it and no matter what you decide would probably need twinking in future iterations.

If they did it before and are continuing to do it then clearly the punishment wasn't harsh enough ;p

etana. also the malice is basically the only ship being brought consistently and creating the problems every average viewer who knows anything about eve can see. so much anger about the malice on the twitch chat after camel v exodus.