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[Succession] Declaration of Allegiance for Khanid
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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-08-24 17:09:39 UTC
I have a message for all of these capsuleers who are so quick to claim divinity - if you're divine, do a better ****ing job at running the universe. The current state is frankly embarassing.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-08-24 17:25:05 UTC
Davian Jouhinen wrote:
I am not Amarrian, nor do I follow the Amarr faith. However I nonetheless pledge my support to Garkeh Khanid. In the time I have spent in Amarr and Khanid space I have seen the simple facts, the Empire needs the Khanid if it wants to survive, and in these turbulent times the cluster needs the Empire. Khanid ships are very powerful, and the Empire needs this edge more than ever. More importantly the Khanid embrace capsule technology to a far greater extent than the empire, and it is capsuleers who stand the best chance of fighting off the drifters. King Khanid once again sits on the Amarr privy council, he is as Amarr as any other contender for the Imperial throne.



Thank you for your words of support Mr. Jouhinen. I too feel that our King represents the best hope we have for victory and stability.

Fly safe!

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-08-24 18:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
I too respect Khanid's forward thinking, however I will need to carefully review all parties stances before I cast my support.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2015-08-24 19:19:03 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
I do understand your viewpoint. However, what our Kingdom and our Empire needs most right now is solidarity. Believe me, I am far from being a Unionist, but even I recognize that this is not the time for divisiveness. Or sedition.


Then leave the affairs of men to men. We Sefrim have more important tasks ahead. Why would you ally yourself to one mere mortal; one who, by all divine law, stands beneath you?

Sinjin Mokk wrote:

Oh and incidentally, you may want to address me as "My Lord" or "Baron." Not, "Brother."


We are far beyond these paltry titles, brother. These are trappings of royals and mortals. We are as kin to one another, and to the Empress, and to the future ruler, for it was said that the sefrim offered unto the emperor a present from God as one brother to another.

Do not let your mortal vanity deceive you any longer; it is time for us capsuleers to reclaim our rightful place as protectors of this Empire, on our own terms as the Sefrim appointed by God. The mortals and royals rejected us once before; that does not absolve us from the task God set before us.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2015-08-24 19:31:58 UTC
Lena Lazair wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
I do understand your viewpoint. However, what our Kingdom and our Empire needs most right now is solidarity. Believe me, I am far from being a Unionist, but even I recognize that this is not the time for divisiveness. Or sedition.


Then leave the affairs of men to men. We Sefrim have more important tasks ahead. Why would you ally yourself to one mere mortal; one who, by all divine law, stands beneath you?

Sinjin Mokk wrote:

Oh and incidentally, you may want to address me as "My Lord" or "Baron." Not, "Brother."


We are far beyond these paltry titles, brother. These are trappings of royals and mortals. We are as kin to one another, and to the Empress, and to the future ruler, for it was said that the sefrim offered unto the emperor a present from God as one brother to another.

Do not let your mortal vanity deceive you any longer; it is time for us capsuleers to reclaim our rightful place as protectors of this Empire, on our own terms as the Sefrim appointed by God. The mortals and royals rejected us once before; that does not absolve us from the task God set before us.



Just because I understand your position does not mean I will in any way follow it.

Why support Khanid? Because he is my King. And he is fairly spry for a tricentenarian with his own Titan. And because I swore an oath.

Titles and manners are the oil that keeps our squeaky society moving along. I'd much rather you remembered where you come from because we don't need anymore sand in the works.

And I am already a protector of my King and my People and my Faith.

And trust me toots, you are no angel.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-08-24 19:36:49 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Lena Lazair wrote:
The Khanid have long accepted the virtue of technology. It takes a uniquely antiquated mind to question the gifts God has so clearly bestowed upon us. What hubris it takes to question the favors given by God...

Um.

Huh?

... I don't understand at all....



God has granted us immortality through the technology of cloning. That is his gift to us, His chosen Sefrim. He gave us immortality, and the power to smite all immortal enemies of the Empire along with it. And we waste this gift on the mortal squabbles of royal houses and petty lords. I do not presume myself so wise as to question this gift.

Scherezad wrote:

You are a bit of meat in a skeletal shell with an echo-scanner attached to it.

It claims immortality within its bony bubble, because it's never been aware of death. A lack of awareness is not a lack of occurrence.

It claims divinity from its vertebral perch, because it has never seen divinity, but it likes the way the word reverberates through its tissues.


You describe the raw materials with which God does His holy work as if it has some bearing on the result of His will. If God turned clay into Man, would you spit upon the Man as you would upon the clay? You seek to debase the gifts God has so clearly given us by treating capsuleers as no more or less than the sum of our parts. But it is the immortal life God breathed into our creation that matters.

Scherezad wrote:

It's not like we just dropped in from Paradise. You were unambiguously human, and mortal.

And God didn't give this technology to the Amarr; He gave it to the Jove, and through them to the Caldari ... and through them to others.

Is that how you think your God would bestow the protection of the sephrim? Like old clothes handed down from a rich cousin?

I don't ... gods and spirits.

If there is a light brightening your path, it is your pride.


I am prideful, that I accept with humility God's gift? No, I think you are the one brimming with pride, who thinks that you are better than any gift God may grant except that which He offers you directly on His own out-stretched hand. If God has chosen to send us gifts through the Jove, the Caldari, or any other lowly path, I am not so prideful or arrogant to refuse that gift merely because it has passed through lesser hands. What power you imagine these unfaithful to hold, that they could lessen the divinity of this gift from God! How weak you must think the spirit of God, that it can be tarnished by the hands of mortals.

Scherezad wrote:

Your life continues through the cooperation of unseen thousands of people.


If the devoted faith of thousands is necessary to maintain our transformation, then they are doing God's work as well, and I shall not fail their faith by refusing to accept this gift.

To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#27 - 2015-08-24 19:40:27 UTC
It is incredible blasphemy to declare such soulless abominations as clones to be sefrim.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#28 - 2015-08-24 19:45:55 UTC
Scherezad wrote:

No. If there is a language the creator of this universe spoke to breathe life into the wind and shape the stars, it is most certainly mathematics.



<3

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#29 - 2015-08-24 20:55:28 UTC
Lena Lazair wrote:
God has granted us immortality through the technology of cloning. That is his gift to us, His chosen Sefrim. He gave us immortality, and the power to smite all immortal enemies of the Empire along with it. And we waste this gift on the mortal squabbles of royal houses and petty lords. I do not presume myself so wise as to question this gift.


And yet you seem happy to presume that your beliefs are infallible, miss. Doubt is important.

Lena Lazair wrote:
You describe the raw materials with which God does His holy work as if it has some bearing on the result of His will. If God turned clay into Man, would you spit upon the Man as you would upon the clay? You seek to debase the gifts God has so clearly given us by treating capsuleers as no more or less than the sum of our parts. But it is the immortal life God breathed into our creation that matters.


I don't spit on clay. I make pots from it. I just don't deny that the pot is clay, while still a pot. It is both of these things, and they both matter.

Lena Lazair wrote:
I am prideful, that I accept with humility God's gift? No, I think you are the one brimming with pride, who thinks that you are better than any gift God may grant except that which He offers you directly on His own out-stretched hand. If God has chosen to send us gifts through the Jove, the Caldari, or any other lowly path, I am not so prideful or arrogant to refuse that gift merely because it has passed through lesser hands. What power you imagine these unfaithful to hold, that they could lessen the divinity of this gift from God! How weak you must think the spirit of God, that it can be tarnished by the hands of mortals.


You hold aloft your torch to the east and say that it is the rising sun. You hold it to the west and say the same. Show me a sign of doubt in your words and I might consider you a worthy guide. Right now, you're chasing fireflies.

Lena Lazair wrote:
To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin



To hear lies about power, greet a politician.
To hear truth about power, greet the ocean.

To hear lies about wealth, greet a merchant.
To hear truth about wealth, greet a mother bear.

To hear lies about beauty, greet an artist.
To hear truth about beauty, greet a snowflake.

To hear lies about the heavens, greet a monk.
To hear truth about the heavens, greet the emptiness.


Stop listening to the voice in your head.
Start listening to the silence behind it.
The Golden Serpent
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#30 - 2015-08-24 21:23:33 UTC  |  Edited by: The Golden Serpent
Capsuleers are not Sefrim!!!!!

Anyways, I would support King Khanid, but it doesn't seem like it makes a difference. I think all one can do is go to the tournament and be picked at random by all of the heirs. You have to fight for whoever picks you. (Edit: nevermind that's not true got it cleared up from a superior, sorry for being so stupid)

At least we don't have to make our leaders kill themselves afterwards. We're stronger for having a more experienced leadership. God has blessed us with that.

-:¦:-•:'":•.-:¦:-•* K H A N I D •-:¦:-•:''''*:•-:¦:-
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