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PI Whining is Overreacting
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#21 - 2012-01-02 09:26:25 UTC
met worst wrote:
Ocih wrote:
I haven't seen a thread about the PI changes in weeks. You bored OP? Need to open some old wounds? Can't find anything more current to troll about? If you were trying to be original, remember the game is 8 years old. That's not going to be easy. Devs can't do it and they get paid to.

Actually he was referring to a thread I started today QUERYING why PI in lowsec has been "Interbussed".

I ASKED whether it's a DUST 514 preparation.

I ASKED if it's putting more cookies into large alliance wallets.

I ASKED other lowsec PI'ers what their opinions were.

I DON'T recall whining but hey, if that's his lot then so be it.

MAYBE he SHOULD have ASKED if I was WHINING or COMMENTING.

The DIFFERENCE requires a little intellect. OP FAILED.

PS: DAMNED CAPS key, It'S SoOoOo unPredICtable.



One of the Dust 514 screenshots I saw was orbital so I am guessing this is the result of 514. They plan to make POCO a part of the Dust 514 interface. By jacking up facility costs in high sec, we can now go to low and null to entertain the PvP bears and 514 bears because it's obvious CCP don't know how to do it or simply don'tt want to. I can't blame them for the latter. It isn't big on my to do list either.
Devil's Call
Social safety
#22 - 2012-01-02 12:00:26 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
People are overreacting always beacause they are ignorant.


So ignorant. *Michael Jackson voice* Roll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2012-01-02 12:07:17 UTC
non judgement wrote:
Sort of how when EVE Online started and there was mining in it. Which is a very nasty form of PVP?
Wait a second. Mining isn't PVP
Of course it is. Do you see any NPCs competing with you over those minerals?
met worst wrote:
Eve's "design philosophy" is "build it and they will come". It's called a SANDBOX. PvP happens as a RESULT of the sandbox
No. PvP is the fuel of the sandbox — it's what makes the core engine (the market) move and makes all the building have a purpose.
Skorpynekomimi
#24 - 2012-01-02 17:09:46 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Kha'Vorn wrote:
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
All that's different with my setup is that taxes have gone up. I still take a bog-standard industrial into lowsec to pick it up and shuffle things. I still don't get shot at.


and where do you run this PI empire?? Twisted


Even if he told you, are you prepared to spend endless hours camping customs offices for a chance at a kill on an industrial?


Even if I told you, it'd be a kill on a Wreathe with absolutely no fitting other than a couple of cargo expanders, that spends the vast majority of the 5 minutes it takes picking my PI up warping between customs offices.
I am very careful in lowsec. Especially in a system that used to be rather heavily contested.

Why risk a 100mil ship when a 100k one does the same job? Especially when I have five more of it just sitting around spare, waiting to be useful.
I had to order a bunch of the things to justify the alliance buying the BPO, after all.

Economic PVP
JagerJake
Legio Noviomagum
#25 - 2012-01-02 17:12:04 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Whining ABOUT whining about PI is even WORSE !!!!!!Roll


And Whining about how Whining About Whining about PI is even worse is meta-Worst than anything that came before.


do you see what you just did there Cool
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#26 - 2012-01-02 17:29:44 UTC
One of eve's biggest issues is the fact that folks cling to highsec to avoid risk. The way PI was set up before, high seccers were actually out in lowsec doing some PI. The current changes killed that. Shrug, I pulled out of lowsec completely as the reward/risk equation doesn't make sense anymore for small corp or solo PI in lowsec. You guys can spin it any way you choose, but don't cry about no targets in lowsec after CCPs changes which were supposed to stimulate pvp.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-01-02 17:37:22 UTC
Karash Amerius wrote:
Quite a few "PI sucks now" tears on the forums lately...which is incredibly short sighted.

Blah, blah, blah...

So quit the whining or just QQ already.


Ummm..."QQ" means "whining"...

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
met worst
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-01-03 01:02:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
non judgement wrote:
Sort of how when EVE Online started and there was mining in it. Which is a very nasty form of PVP?
Wait a second. Mining isn't PVP
Of course it is. Do you see any NPCs competing with you over those minerals?
met worst wrote:
Eve's "design philosophy" is "build it and they will come". It's called a SANDBOX. PvP happens as a RESULT of the sandbox
No. PvP is the fuel of the sandbox — it's what makes the core engine (the market) move and makes all the building have a purpose.

Pffft. Once again you dissected a paragraph and took the statement out of context.

My response was to a comment that PI does not in itself attract PvP and therefore "had to be changed".

The point (in the ENTIRE paragraph) was that the sandbox ALSO allows for "precious PI empires" to be built. And PI itself can also be a catalyst to generate more PvP both economically and militarily. They are not mutually exclusive.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#29 - 2012-01-03 07:44:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
non judgement wrote:
Sort of how when EVE Online started and there was mining in it. Which is a very nasty form of PVP?
Wait a second. Mining isn't PVP
Of course it is. Do you see any NPCs competing with you over those minerals?
met worst wrote:
Eve's "design philosophy" is "build it and they will come". It's called a SANDBOX. PvP happens as a RESULT of the sandbox
No. PvP is the fuel of the sandbox — it's what makes the core engine (the market) move and makes all the building have a purpose.

Yeah I know you are right. Mining is PVP in the way you talk about it. I just had the assumption that the OP was talking only about player's ship verses another player's ship, when they said PVP. Since there are many people in EVE Online that only think of PVP as peoples ships fighting each other. Looking at anything else people do in the game as boring and meaningless.
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