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The Imperiums new Sov war strategy, is it going to work out?
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Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
#1 - 2015-08-20 13:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Lim Hiaret
Just listened to this here.

Sumup:

  1. day 1 : move in enough guys to all constelations/systems to overrun the locals
  2. day 2 : burn down all ihubs
  3. day 3 : burn down all ihubs
  4. day 3+n : brag in local and black mail defenders to admit defeat
  5. day 3+n+1 : jump clone home


Sounds like a real blitz. Strategic goal is not to actually take sov or anything though but to burn down the ihubs (their isk value and the logistic work) and most important the strategic index (100 days of work).

Wonder if that is actually going to work? What would be a good defence? This is going to be exciting anyways.

-- UPDATE 8-25 DT --

Just wanted to add the official State Of The Imperium:
https://soundcloud.com/arrendis/8-23-state-of-the-imperium
That marks day 1 as 8-23 or maybe 8-24

At this moment (DT 8-25) according to DOTLAN (API) of 13 Providence constellations are
3 - not reinforced at all
2 - partially reinforced
3 - mostly reinforced
5 - fully reinforced

-- UPDATE 8-26 DT --

Another short update. At this moment (DT 8-26) all but 8 systems are reinforced. This evening Providence will drown in command nodes.

-- UPDATE 8-27 DT --

At DT 8-27 there are 52 IHUBs left in the 84 systems of which are
19 - invulnerable
30 - reinforced
3 - currently under attack

So I assume the rest of the IHUBs (32) died already (day 3)

-- UPDATE 8-28 DT --

At DT 8-27 there are 47 IHUBs left in the 84 systems of which are
42 - invulnerable
5 - reinforced

Only 5 IHUBs less than last DT and only 5 reinforced. Is the war already over? Looks like Providence is doing rather well under the new sov mechanic.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#2 - 2015-08-20 15:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Step 6. Locals put up IHUBS one-two weeks later.

Overall impact: Not a big deal.

Edit: Locals simply need to have fun fighting when they can and blue ball when they can't. Either Imperium moves in or gets picked off over time. If Imperium has too many guys and puts in too much effort to defend the systems and keep indices up, then locals interested in Sov ought to move on. Otherwise, in a few weeks it will be easy to sov-troll Imperium into leaving.

Lather, rinse, repeat. Bottom Line: Locals' best defense is a thick troll-resistant skin. Realize their strengths/weaknesses and set goals accordingly.
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-08-20 16:56:41 UTC
In my utterly inexpert opinion and to borrow an old adage:

The best defence is a good offence

Whilst the Imperium overkill burn Providence (plus all the third parties making your life hell) you set up a task force and supply them to assault Deklein at the same time as their attack. Split their attention and hope your blitz of Deklein distracts the Inperium from doing a proper job of their own invasion. Heck even hire mercenaries to help.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-08-20 22:20:23 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
In my utterly inexpert opinion and to borrow an old adage:

The best defence is a good offence

Whilst the Imperium overkill burn Providence (plus all the third parties making your life hell) you set up a task force and supply them to assault Deklein at the same time as their attack. Split their attention and hope your blitz of Deklein distracts the Inperium from doing a proper job of their own invasion. Heck even hire mercenaries to help.


Highsec merc? They'll just camp jita and the routes to it. Unless you're talking about the big boys in lowsec you'd probably have to pay them billions of isk to even move and start risking their major assets(supers) in the inevitable imperium counter attack.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#5 - 2015-08-20 22:48:20 UTC
Lim Hiaret wrote:
Just listened to this here.

Sumup:

  1. day 1 : move in enough guys to all constelations/systems to overrun the locals
  2. day 2 : burn down all ihubs
  3. day 3 : burn down all ihubs
  4. day 3+n : brag in local and black mail defenders to admit defeat
  5. day 3+n+1 : jump clone home


Sounds like a real blitz. Strategic goal is not to actually take sov or anything though but to burn down the ihubs (their isk value and the logistic work) and most important the strategic index (100 days of work).

Wonder if that is actually going to work? What would be a good defence? This is going to be exciting anyways.

Alternate View: The US tried this in Iraq. Didn't work for them either.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#6 - 2015-08-24 02:22:07 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Wonder if that is actually going to work? What would be a good defence? This is going to be exciting anyways.
Alternate View: The US tried this in Iraq. Didn't work for them either.[/quote]

Oh Sh**! You mean the outcome of this will be a ruthless Provi group that attempts to install an Amarrian Caliphate in the rest of Eve??
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#7 - 2015-08-24 05:51:35 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Alternate View: The US tried this in Iraq. Didn't work for them either.
Oh Sh**! You mean the outcome of this will be a ruthless Provi group that attempts to install an Amarrian Caliphate in the rest of Eve??
Yes that's exactly what I mean. Law of unintended consequences at its very worst.
Les Routiers
Proudly Snoring
#8 - 2015-08-24 16:15:04 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Edit: Locals simply need to have fun fighting when they can and blue ball when they can't. Either Imperium moves in or gets picked off over time. If Imperium has too many guys and puts in too much effort to defend the systems and keep indices up, then locals interested in Sov ought to move on. Otherwise, in a few weeks it will be easy to sov-troll Imperium into leaving.


You don't get it - please read the OP. The Imperium does not want to take the sov, it just wants to kill all the upgrades, reset the ADM (so anyone who later wants to troll Provi sov can do it easily enough), and grief.

So all this talk about sov guerrilla isn't going to work.

Possible counters:
1. Everybody invades Deklein and tries to bash the Imperium's USTZ (because that's when the vulnerabilty windows are). Obviously, the non-Imperium part of New Eden will be able to field an impromptu but coordinated offensive against the best-defended region of the game. Riiiiiight.
2. Everybody moves to Provi and successfully shoots Imperium, Provi alts are free to de-entosis all their stuff. Very unlikely to happen either.

More likely outcomes:
- Various people move to Provi and shoot at everything that moves.
- The Imperium burns Provi to the ground
- People whine on forums and threaten to unsub, unless Somebody Else (tm) fixes their sandbox for them.

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d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-08-24 20:16:09 UTC
Provi is burning... keep those JF moving out...

Been around since the beginning.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#10 - 2015-08-24 22:19:26 UTC
Les Routiers wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Edit: Locals simply need to have fun fighting when they can and blue ball when they can't. Either Imperium moves in or gets picked off over time. If Imperium has too many guys and puts in too much effort to defend the systems and keep indices up, then locals interested in Sov ought to move on. Otherwise, in a few weeks it will be easy to sov-troll Imperium into leaving.


You don't get it - please read the OP. The Imperium does not want to take the sov, it just wants to kill all the upgrades, reset the ADM (so anyone who later wants to troll Provi sov can do it easily enough), and grief.

So all this talk about sov guerrilla isn't going to work.
Let's revisit this thread in 2-3 weeks.
Kavoro Pel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-08-25 00:30:36 UTC
I see fire, lots of it.
Thirdsin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-08-25 00:45:02 UTC
Give me a strategy that WON'T work with 13,000 capsuleers behind it.... The northern conglomerate has more people than the next how many alliances combined?

That said, the strategy is great and points out just how silly the mechanics are at the moment.

A few days to grind. 100 days to recover on top of hundreds of man hours and billions and billions of isk. Seems about right.

Thank you grrrgoons for doing what needs doing to prove a point.

Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-08-25 02:31:26 UTC
Look at that burn https://timerboard.net/#

And not a single Deklein in sight.

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Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-08-25 04:55:11 UTC
Thirdsin wrote:
Give me a strategy that WON'T work with 13,000 capsuleers behind it.... The northern conglomerate has more people than the next how many alliances combined?

That said, the strategy is great and points out just how silly the mechanics are at the moment.

A few days to grind. 100 days to recover on top of hundreds of man hours and billions and billions of isk. Seems about right.

Thank you grrrgoons for doing what needs doing to prove a point.


We told you so, and your welcome.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-08-25 16:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Legatus1982
Les Routiers wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Edit: Locals simply need to have fun fighting when they can and blue ball when they can't. Either Imperium moves in or gets picked off over time. If Imperium has too many guys and puts in too much effort to defend the systems and keep indices up, then locals interested in Sov ought to move on. Otherwise, in a few weeks it will be easy to sov-troll Imperium into leaving.


You don't get it - please read the OP. The Imperium does not want to take the sov, it just wants to kill all the upgrades, reset the ADM (so anyone who later wants to troll Provi sov can do it easily enough), and grief.

So all this talk about sov guerrilla isn't going to work.

Possible counters:
1. Everybody invades Deklein and tries to bash the Imperium's USTZ (because that's when the vulnerabilty windows are). Obviously, the non-Imperium part of New Eden will be able to field an impromptu but coordinated offensive against the best-defended region of the game. Riiiiiight.
2. Everybody moves to Provi and successfully shoots Imperium, Provi alts are free to de-entosis all their stuff. Very unlikely to happen either.

More likely outcomes:
- Various people move to Provi and shoot at everything that moves.
- The Imperium burns Provi to the ground
- People whine on forums and threaten to unsub, unless Somebody Else (tm) fixes their sandbox for them.


Its not the best defended region anymore if all their bodies are on the other side of the galaxy. Just saying. Can they come back? Sure, but then they aren't in prov anymore. Right now their home is mostly honor tanked, and anything they do in prov others can counter troll with in their home.

Of course, nobody will do that cuz reasons.
chosensister
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-08-25 21:30:46 UTC
I would go for it.

We are back at the end of the week.
Old IT Guy
Far Reaches Industries
#17 - 2015-08-26 00:31:31 UTC
Quote:


The Imperiums new Sov war strategy


Who?
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-08-26 01:35:23 UTC
Legatus1982 wrote:
Its not the best defended region anymore if all their bodies are on the other side of the galaxy. Just saying. Can they come back? Sure, but then they aren't in prov anymore. Right now their home is mostly honor tanked, and anything they do in prov others can counter troll with in their home.

Of course, nobody will do that cuz reasons.

I'm sorry, If you think we would lose all our space. I must point out another quote.

Yang Aurilen wrote:
Look at that burn https://timerboard.net/#

And not a single Deklein in sight.


And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
-Matthew 24:2

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
#19 - 2015-08-26 10:14:46 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:

And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
-Matthew 24:2


What would Max have to say to that? You know, the Amarr religion might not be related to Christianity. So...

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-08-26 21:29:03 UTC
Lim Hiaret wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:

And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
-Matthew 24:2


What would Max have to say to that? You know, the Amarr religion might not be related to Christianity. So...

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Grrr Heretics!
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