Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Condensed version; moved from another WarDec thread.

Protection Charters

Cost to Maintain: 15 Million/Week

Effect: Corp Holding Protection Charter has the ability to outbid a WarDec cost with the SCC. Should a WarDeccing Corp attempt to declare against this Corporation, they are informed that this corporation has the ability to outbid this WarDec in the next 24 hours.

Should they choose not to do so; War will commence immediately upon the end of that 24 hour period. Alternatively, should they choose to outbid the declaring party, the SCC will return that parties ISK for the declaration fee, and they may press forward with their declaration of War the following day.

In the event that a war occur's where the defending party holds a Protection Charter, that party will have full insurance on any ship losses, for as long as they maintain their protection charter. This insurance will cover a 20% premium over any insurance they may maintain on a given ship.


War Charters and Ammendments

Cost to Maintain: None

Cost to Purchase: 150 million ISK

Cost for Standard Ammendments: 150 million ISK

Including, but not limited to, per allowance of each additional allied Corporation to be included in any War at holders discretion and naming upon signing any War Declaration, extending, as an Executor Corp, said Charter to cover an Alliance with automatic inclusion of all Corporations in any War Declaration, (Not required), and prevention of enemy CEOs and Directorship from leaving a target Alliance or Corporation for the duration of any war in which they are a Target.

Cost for Nominal Ammendments: 75 Million ISK

Including, but not limited to, ability to extend regions of any War beyond the Region of Declarations borders in any direction, allowance the destruction of assets held in space by a target Corporation or Alliance, such as POS, declaration of holding Corporation/Alliance as Mercenary force or entity, allowing use of appropriate UI features and Contracts, and addition to standard number, (1), of wars that may be declared and convened at any time.

Cost for non-standard Ammendments: 200 million ISK

Including use of specific restricted modules and munitions in High or Low Security Space, (These may include, but are not limited to, Smartbombs, Warp Interdiction Spheres, Bombs, and ECM Burst modules), for each exception of Device or Security Classification.

Effect:

War Charter holding Corporations or Alliances may declare on other Corporations or Alliances on a daily basis, with a cost based on the number and power of ammendments to their War Charter.

For every included Corporation without a Charter, that cost will go up marginally, and that Corporation may use Logistics or EWAR support to assist in the War effort, while-in no way-may they provide direct damage support against the enemy.

Any War Declared against aWar Charter holding Corp is automatically made mutual and will commence in 24 hours, unless they are a). Currently holding and maintaining a Protection Charter, or b). Currently nvolved in their or the declaring parties maximum number of Wars.

Any use of restricted weapons use that results in a fatalities or ship loss(es) to an individual or party not involved in a current war will result in the Ammendment for use of that Device to be stripped from the offending Corporation and Allies War Charters. Reaquisition of that Ammendment to the Charter(s)-at cost-will not be available for another 30 standard days.

Any individuals involved in a War effort are not subject to Security Status loss, for the duration of that War effort, evolving from any collateral damage resulting from use of permitted devices that are currently restricted in any security of space.

Discuss.

Yeah. Someone made me read the TOS and EULA earlier tonight. It rubs off.

To clarify, Protection Charters can be held by any corporation or Alliance and maintained for a nominal fee. This is essentially the same as a Dec Shield with the exception that the Corp must oubid the Corporation or Alliance that comes to Declare War on them.

This is essentially gives them 24 hours until the WarDec mechanics allow the declaring Corporation or Alliance to attempt to declare War on them again. Following that period, the Corporation or Alliance pressing for War, may place another fee with the SCC, (there first being returned when they were outbid), to continue their efforts to achieve a legal and consensual War.

Should the targeted Corporation or Alliance, (the holder of the Protection Charter), not outbid them a second time, War will commence in 24 hours in a consensual fashion.

In this way, a Corporation or Alliance holding a Protection Charter can stave off War for an indefinite amount of time, provided they have the funds to do so, or can earn them in due process. It becomes a War of Attrition. One side presses for War, while the other lobbies the SCC to prevent that War from taking place.

The Protection Charter also guarantees insurance at a higher than standard rate for the duration of any War pressed against the Corporation or Alliance holding the Charter; but only for those losses that are incurred as a direct result of an ongoing War.


War Charters on the other hand, allow a Corporation or Alliance to lobby the SCC for entitlement to wage war on another Corporation or Alliance with all the power their Charter and Ammendments allow them to wield.

A Standard War Charter only allows a Corporation to field ships against a target Corporation, using pilots who are members of the War Charter holding Corporation. No restricted modules or Devices are allowed, nor does the War Charter have the ability to extend to an Alliance of which that Corporation is a member.

So a Corporation within an Alliance may declare War on another Corporation outside of, or even within that same Alliance, but does not have the ability to bring other Corporations within their own Alliance or outside of it into that War.

An Executor Corp may aquire a Standard Ammendment to extend a War Charter to their Alliance, which will enable any Corporation in the Alliance to be brought into War with them.

A Corporation within that Alliance, which is brought into War, may only participate in that War as their Charter, or lack thereof, allows. This means, if that Corporation holds no War Charter, they may only bring Logistical or EWAR support. If however, they have a War Charter and potentially Ammendments to that Charter, they may participate in a fashion as befits the Charter which they hold and its Ammendments.

Each Ammendment is seperate, and comes with its own fee. To legally qualify as a Mercenary Corporation or Alliance, and gain income as such through marketable contracts, a Corporation or Alliance Executor Corp must purchase an Ammendment to that effect for their Charter. Without it, they may still act as a Mercenary Corporation, but without the help of in-game UI and Contract Assets.

One benefit of purchasing such an Ammendment might be, for example, a Channel specific to their Corporation or Alliance intended for discussing Contracts, prices, and details of Mercenary activities, and accessible from anyones UI through an interface used to find Mercenary Corporations and Alliances.

Effectively, they become listed, and have in-game tools for both arranging and aquiring Contracts, and accepting payment for them.

Each non-standard Ammendment only applies to a specific device or module, (i.e: Bombs and Bomb Launchers on a Stealth Bomber, or Warp Interdiction Spheres, or ECM Burst Modules.), and only for the Corporation Holding such an Ammendment.

This means it may be wise for a typically non-warring Corp to aquire not only Protection Charters but War Charters as well.

Additionally, you may wat to include a bounty system where the uninsured loss of any ship resulting from War engagements, is held until the end of the War, with the percentage loss from the losing side going to the winner.

Winners being determined by a point system based on Ship kills and overall ISK lost over the period in which the War was fought, that directly resulted from engagements between the two forces. To the winner go the spoils.

Given the Protection Charters above standard Insurance premiums, this will typically mean the WarDec'd party stands to gain more from winning a given War than the Declaring party provided everything else is equal.

In essence its the same as removing pvp from highsec because carebear corp will always have more ISK than wardeccers.

Also it breaks the game immersion and fiction. Istead of "bribing" Concord to somehow enable war, it institutionalizes the war. Like Empires would allow it.

So no thanks.

The loser in this bidding war should get their ISK back, the immunity should only be against that group.

Still a crap idea for the one major reason stated by Nestara Aldent.

Instead of this, allow publicizing wardecs free of charge. This idea floated up recently. It's gotta be the most brilliant wardec concept in all of the threadnaughts the topic produced.

You got decced? Publicize it for free. Want fights? Accept every publicized decs in Eve for free. Original deccer get lots of additional wars for free. Decs should be freer. It's a win-win.

I think the issue here, is that there seems to be some lack of cost calculation and advantage for the WarDeccing party.

For 5 Corporations to Declare War against a single Corporation based on these rules, and using a War Charter with 5 Standard, 4 Nominal, and 8 Non-Standard Ammendments; it would be roughly as follows.

War Charter = 500K /day
5 Standard Ammendments = 300K*5 = 1.5 million /day
4 Nominal Ammendments = 1000K*4 = 4 million /day
8 Non Standard Ammendments = 1500K*8 = 12 Million /day
5 Declaring Parties = 500K*5 = 2.5 million /day
1 Target Corporation = 300K /day

Total WarDec cost per day: 20.8 million

Cost to outbid for target Corp, paid to the SCC calculated by rate n*0.9 @90%: 20.8 million * 0.9 = 18.72 Million - Declaring Corporations get their 20.8 million ISK returned to them by the SCC upon payment.

Remember, the Corporation(s) holding a Protection Charter are paying 15 million a week to maintain their Protection Charter with the SCC.

Net result, if no War takes place, but a Declaring party presses for War over a period of 10 days, the Corporation holding the Protection Charter pays the SCC 187.2 million ISK in addition to their weekly maintenance fee of 15 million ISK. The Declaring party has no cost for Pressing the War Declaration.

War of Attrition; it's still PvP. It also damages the protection Charter holding Corporation.

When I read these threads I ask myself does this suggestion lead to more Pew and Explosions. I don't believe it does and as such is a bad idea.

The economy is already saturated to the point of absurdity on many items and killing off ship destruction is the wrong direction.

Personal enjoyment is a tertiary concern.

I'm going to start paying merc corps to wardec any highsec pubbie corp or alliance that starts a thread complaining about or trying to change wardec mechanics.