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Alliance Tournament Ships

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Tallardar
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-08-23 16:40:17 UTC
Dancul1001 wrote:
DHB WildCat wrote:
Kat Ayclism wrote:
DHB WildCat wrote:
I would love to see AT banned from tournies tbh

I'd love to see A and B teams banned from tournies tbh



i'ld love to see A, B, C, and D teams banned tbh



what would hydra do then ?


Have to actually play the game more than once a year.
Free Minerals
StainsGate
Covert Otters Venture Into Darkness
#22 - 2015-08-23 16:44:21 UTC
Kat Ayclism wrote:
It's Hydramel, it will always be Hydramel.


Pandemic Nihilist-Waffle Horde would be a pretty good alliance name tbh
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#23 - 2015-08-23 17:14:33 UTC
I think you guys might have massively overrated the amount of cooperation that went on (hint: there was none whatsoever)
Dancul1001
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2015-08-23 17:24:56 UTC
Destoya wrote:
I think you guys might have massively overrated the amount of cooperation that went on (hint: there was none whatsoever)



anyone can look at ships fielded / bans used and see PL def has not alt teams Hydra on the hand has 3 ? :)
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#25 - 2015-08-23 17:28:01 UTC
Free Minerals wrote:
Kat Ayclism wrote:
It's Hydramel, it will always be Hydramel.


Pandemic Nihilist-Waffle Horde would be a pretty good alliance name tbh

Independent teams have the misfortune of running their own comps, having to find their own practice members, and not getting at our sweet sweet stock of #fancy ships.

But you do gotta step that name-combining game up, mate.
C' Luigi
Tr0pa de elite.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#26 - 2015-08-23 17:32:35 UTC
Risking of losing ~150b ship on a tourey, is one story.
Other story is to have clean advantage of other team, supposing that other team cant field AT reward ship.
So basicly if your making this thing even for all 64 team, AT ships should definitely be banned from tourney, or get their value higher.

Just to make one thing sure, we lost today to PL, they wiped us, not because of malices, but more because those BBs and officer Bhaal + they're piloting was perfect.
So my post is not about PL is gay, but about having AT tourney which is standalone event, to be even for every single team.
Lugia3
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#27 - 2015-08-23 17:38:37 UTC
Pandemic flavors.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#28 - 2015-08-23 18:00:26 UTC
C' Luigi wrote:
Just to make one thing sure, we lost today to PL, they wiped us, not because of malices, but more because those BBs and officer Bhaal + they're piloting was perfect.

Thanks for actually saying that from the opposing team! I did enjoy flying the blackbird, cause 7+ years ago I started pvping as jamming pilot in a Blackbird.

Winner ATXI , 3rd place ATXII, winner ATXIII, 2nd ATXIV - follow me on twitter: @ForlornW

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#29 - 2015-08-23 18:22:03 UTC
Oh look DT whining about things again.
Doomchinchilla
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2015-08-23 18:45:05 UTC
If DT had alliance tournament ships they could have won their match.

lol
Rockstara
Reaction Scientific
#31 - 2015-08-23 20:14:11 UTC
this thread could use some lime, then we could have some good margaritas.
C' Luigi
Tr0pa de elite.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#32 - 2015-08-23 20:54:54 UTC
Forlorn Wongraven wrote:
C' Luigi wrote:
Just to make one thing sure, we lost today to PL, they wiped us, not because of malices, but more because those BBs and officer Bhaal + they're piloting was perfect.

Thanks for actually saying that from the opposing team! I did enjoy flying the blackbird, cause 7+ years ago I started pvping as jamming pilot in a Blackbird.

Nothin' else to add,
good luck in competition.
Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-08-23 22:06:03 UTC
This thread is bad and you should feel bad for starting it.
Travis Uchonela
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-08-23 22:44:15 UTC
The real issue is the experience gap. As long as deeply experienced groups like PL are dominating the AT pubbie alliances like OP's will never win. Please help us CCP.
Bianca Bardot
Bianca Bardot Corporation
#35 - 2015-08-24 00:39:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Bianca Bardot
C' Luigi wrote:
Risking of losing ~150b ship on a tourey, is one story.
Other story is to have clean advantage of other team, supposing that other team cant field AT reward ship.


Ya, its totally impossible to get a malice ...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=402655

oh wait.
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#36 - 2015-08-24 02:09:07 UTC
Risking lots of isk is one of the thimgs that makes the tourney great. Most pilots struggle with the prrssure of flying 50 billion isk ships. It keeps things exciting. Any serious team can afford what they need...but anybody with good skills should be abke to make top 5 without using anything terribly expensive.
Tiberian Deci
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-08-24 02:34:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberian Deci
HONSOU FERRIX wrote:
Anyone else think AT ships should not be allowed in the AT?


lol no

For real though Warlords of the Deeps fields Malices 3 times and no one cares, PL fields an Etana once and all of a sudden AT prize ships are OP.
Aldjor Dayman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-08-24 08:31:14 UTC
Tiberian Deci wrote:
HONSOU FERRIX wrote:
Anyone else think AT ships should not be allowed in the AT?


lol no

For real though Warlords of the Deeps fields Malices 3 times and no one cares, PL fields an Etana once and all of a sudden AT prize ships are OP.


^^ This.
Intonto
Duncan Tanners Honorary Corp
#39 - 2015-08-24 10:07:11 UTC
Oh look
It is Pandemic Legion. The MacDonald's of Eve Online
Bunch of deep fried food sellers
DeadDuck
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#40 - 2015-08-24 12:00:20 UTC
The AT ships should have a higher point value then their normal ship classes.

A Ettana having the same point base of a Basilisk, or a Malice having the same point values of a Retribution is laughable.

People all saw the power of these ships yesterday on the Match between Camel and Exodus. The match was won because of the Malice.

It's easy to say that Exodus lost because they made the wrong choices, but go after a 50K EHP frig with very high resistence profile and a sig radius of less then 30m is very risky.

The question is that the same 50K EHP frig has a cost of 4 points the same of their counter parts the classic AF's when in reallity the only thing in common these ships have is the name "Assault Frigate".

You start to see a patern where the teams facing the teams that have access to AT ships have to ban them in order they can have some kind of chance to win. It's the 1st time we are watching bans to Malice's, Etana's, etc..., but there are much more out there.

Yes PL lost a Etanna yesterday, but they won the match easily. After Shadow cartel killed the Etana there weren't much more they could do. Their major DPS ships were dead already. TBH they couldn't do much more then go after that super Logi. The same super logi that costs 13 points, the same has a basilisk...

Yes PL lost a 150B ship but they are on the verge of collecting 50 more BPC's of an AT ship. If you have to lose a 150b ship to win 50 x 150B, that's a good deal.

The years pass and the problem is becoming bigger and bigger: only a few teams have access to these ships, these are starting to be fielded sooner and sooner during the qualifiers (we saw them in day 1 this year).

I'm not in favour of banning the ships. Everyone likes to see them fielded. But CCP really has to do something about their point cost over the other ships of the same class.

A Etana is milles away from a Basilisk, a Cambion is Milles away froma Hawk and so on. CCP should agravate the point cost for these ships and make this move quickly or the AT will become a farse.