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[Succession] Declaration of support for Chancellor Aritcio Kor-Azor

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The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2015-08-23 11:25:04 UTC  |  Edited by: The Leopardess
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
King Khanid is not eligible for succession of the Amarr Empire. I certainly hope everyone here understands that. He gave up that right when he rebelled against the empire.


So quick to dismiss His Royal Highness? Stranger things have happened.



Given that the Empress gave him a seat on the privy council and kept The Kingdom's people close to her heart, and was cut down in the spring of her life before she could finish her work, the issue must be clarified so that the houses may set their affairs in order.

This is very important and cannot be ignored, lest chaos and disorder descend upon the Empire. The Theology Council must rule on it.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#22 - 2015-08-23 14:29:43 UTC
I wish to offer my full support to the Kor-Azor Heir, Aritcio Kor-Azor in the upcoming Amarr Succession Trials that will determine the next Emperor of the Amarr Empire.

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Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2015-08-23 14:51:25 UTC
The Leopardess wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
King Khanid is not eligible for succession of the Amarr Empire. I certainly hope everyone here understands that. He gave up that right when he rebelled against the empire.


So quick to dismiss His Royal Highness? Stranger things have happened.



Given that the Empress gave him a seat on the privy council and kept The Kingdom's people close to her heart, and was cut down in the spring of her life before she could finish her work, the issue must be clarified so that the houses may set their affairs in order.

This is very important and cannot be ignored, lest chaos and disorder descend upon the Empire. The Theology Council must rule on it.



She is right. If our King decides to join the Trials, he should most certainly be able to.

But that decision will in the end, be his and his alone.

KHANID VICTOR!

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2015-08-23 15:08:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
She is right. If our King decides to join the Trials, he should most certainly be able to.

But that decision will in the end, be his and his alone.

KHANID VICTOR!

Um. Respectfully, Sir Mokk, it seems as though the decision will rest at least as much with the Theology Council ...

... with whom, also respectfully, I seem to remember King Khanid enjoys a kind of adversarial relationship. House Khanid's place in the Imperial succession was assumed by House Tash-Murkon, wasn't it?

Also, isn't the current King Khanid also the original King Khanid? Which would mean he's also seen the succession trials before?

I doubt they'd give him another shot.

Do I remember correctly that he has a son, though?

Edit:

If so, I'm not sure I can see King Khanid placing his son (or himself) in a position where losing would mean either submitting to the rules and committing ritual suicide, or else refusing and reinforcing the Kingdom's standing as a domain in rebellion against the Empire.

Neither seems tenable, so I respectfully doubt he'd take the risk.

... Does the Kingdom even actually want to rejoin the Empire?
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2015-08-23 15:40:59 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
She is right. If our King decides to join the Trials, he should most certainly be able to.

But that decision will in the end, be his and his alone.

KHANID VICTOR!

Um. Respectfully, Sir Mokk, it seems as though the decision will rest at least as much with the Theology Council ...

... with whom, also respectfully, I seem to remember King Khanid enjoys a kind of adversarial relationship. House Khanid's place in the Imperial succession was assumed by House Tash-Murkon, wasn't it?

Also, isn't the current King Khanid also the original King Khanid? Which would mean he's also seen the succession trials before?

I doubt they'd give him another shot.

Do I remember correctly that he has a son, though?

Edit:

If so, I'm not sure I can see King Khanid placing his son (or himself) in a position where losing would mean either submitting to the rules and committing ritual suicide, or else refusing and reinforcing the Kingdom's standing as a domain in rebellion against the Empire.

Neither seems tenable, so I respectfully doubt he'd take the risk.

... Does the Kingdom even actually want to rejoin the Empire?



All very good questions, and they are the ones we've been mulling over.

Of course, the Theology Council and Privy Council have a say. But it will all be dependent on whether or not HRM wants to compete. His is a unique position. He is technically an heir and a member of the Privy Council (by decree of Jamyl Sarum), but he is also the sovereign of his own kingdom.

The Tash-Murkons were indeed set as a replacement for House Khanid following our split some 300 years ago. 300 years to Amarr is like 300 years in geological time. A drop in the bucket. Given their Udorian background, it was not a popular choice and they could theoretically be replaced by House Khanid. I would think that both would get to compete in the current Trails though. No one wants to alienate another House at this time.

You are correct, King Garkeh Khanid II, first of his name, is the same who walked away from the Empire following the ascension of Heideran VII (he is first of his name, but named his late father Khanid I). He has named no heir to the Throne of Khanid.

So yes, this is obviously a complicated situation. I have every faith that HRM will ultimately do what is best for the people of Khanid and by extension, the people of Amarr.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Arrendis
TK Corp
#26 - 2015-08-23 15:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Um. Respectfully, Sir Mokk, it seems as though the decision will rest at least as much with the Theology Council ...

... with whom, also respectfully, I seem to remember King Khanid enjoys a kind of adversarial relationship. House Khanid's place in the Imperial succession was assumed by House Tash-Murkon, wasn't it?


Khanid commands one of the greater Amarr Empire's two Iapetan titans. It's a ship that can devastate planets simply by moving into orbit. The Empire has all of one ship that can match it in power, and using that ship would mean it would be exposed not only to Khanid's Iapetan titan, but the Republic's Promethean titans - ie, Ragnaroks.

While it's doubtful that the Ragnaroks would be able to strike a crushing blow on thier own without being used in numbers the Empires seem to find prohibitive, if it were to come to blows between the two Iapetans, Republic titans - especially ones being flown under a false flag in order to assure deniability, say, ships claiming to belong to Goonswarm or Pandemic Legion - would almost certainly be able to take advantage of the battle to fatally assault both.

The Empire cannot afford to anger Khanid at this point. He's already fought the Amarr Navy to a standstill once, and would once again be in a position to undertake the first strike and establish an early OpTempo, if the Theology Council were to exclude him against his will. If he throws his hat in the ring, expect the Council to scramble to find something to bribe him with in order to get him to take it back again.

And expect the Khanid Kingdom to make them pay dearly for that service.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#27 - 2015-08-23 16:12:30 UTC
If King Khanid enters the trials, pray for his victory.

He's one the best strategic commanders alive. His leadership is exactly what we're all going to need in the coming days.

Khanid Victor!

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

The Golden Serpent
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#28 - 2015-08-23 20:14:59 UTC  |  Edited by: The Golden Serpent
Khanid has already rejoined the Empire, it was a cause of great celebration to the people of my neighborhood. First at Treaty of Perpetual Friendship under his holiness Emperor Heideran VII and affirmed by his holiness Emperor Doriam II.

Lady Catiz Tash-Murkon expanded trade between our lands. Then, her holiness Empress Jamyl Sarum gave our King a seat on the privy council and King Khanid II declared he recognized her as Empress of Amarr.

Khanid would make a great Emperor. But there is a problem with making our best and brightest kill themselves after forced combat. And so close in proximity to each other. Talk about a brain drain. Is there a limit to God's wrath?


It is the one thing which I believe Dark Amarr and True Amarr will never reconcile, until a more progressive view is had.


It is true that it was never really cleared up between those not within the highest royal circles whether our King's seat on the privy council would grant him a place in the succession trials.

I do not know how such things are decided but clearly it has been decided by someone, somewhere.

-:¦:-•:'":•.-:¦:-•* K H A N I D •-:¦:-•:''''*:•-:¦:-

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#29 - 2015-08-23 22:53:44 UTC
I know next to nothing about Amarrian political practices, but this Aritcio individual seems like a better choice than the rest. He is the one I would prefer to see on the Throne, if any.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#30 - 2015-08-24 02:40:05 UTC
With the Drifters threatening humanity as we know it, we need the Empire to be stronger than ever and the right leader is a linchpin. The succession trial is of great importance for all people of New Eden and I will do my part to find the right successor. I still need to do more research before I can fully declare my support, however Aritcio Kor-Azor may be the man we need.

❤️️💛💚💙💜

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2015-08-24 08:57:55 UTC
Arrendis wrote:


Khanid commands one of the greater Amarr Empire's two Iapetan titans. It's a ship that can devastate planets simply by moving into orbit. The Empire has all of one ship that can match it in power, and using that ship would mean it would be exposed not only to Khanid's Iapetan titan, but the Republic's Promethean titans - ie, Ragnaroks.

While it's doubtful that the Ragnaroks would be able to strike a crushing blow on thier own without being used in numbers the Empires seem to find prohibitive, if it were to come to blows between the two Iapetans, Republic titans - especially ones being flown under a false flag in order to assure deniability, say, ships claiming to belong to Goonswarm or Pandemic Legion - would almost certainly be able to take advantage of the battle to fatally assault both.

The Empire cannot afford to anger Khanid at this point. He's already fought the Amarr Navy to a standstill once, and would once again be in a position to undertake the first strike and establish an early OpTempo, if the Theology Council were to exclude him against his will. If he throws his hat in the ring, expect the Council to scramble to find something to bribe him with in order to get him to take it back again.

And expect the Khanid Kingdom to make them pay dearly for that service.



Respectfully, I think that your appraisal of the strategic situation is a tad... fantasist. While it is true that one of the two Imud Hubraus was a certain weight in the balance, it is only a facet of all the facts at that time that prevented this cold war to turn into something else...

Sinjin Mokk wrote:


The Tash-Murkons were indeed set as a replacement for House Khanid following our split some 300 years ago. 300 years to Amarr is like 300 years in geological time. A drop in the bucket. Given their Udorian background, it was not a popular choice and they could theoretically be replaced by House Khanid. I would think that both would get to compete in the current Trails though. No one wants to alienate another House at this time.


That sounds a bit extreme... I mean, the kind of things that could light up a huge royal unrest, and potential civil wars. One does not remove a full fledged Royal House without a very good reason...
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-08-24 10:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
But it will all be dependent on whether or not HRM wants to compete. His is a unique position. He is technically an heir and a member of the Privy Council (by decree of Jamyl Sarum), but he is also the sovereign of his own kingdom.


With all due respect: King Khanid got granted a seat on the Privy Council but since he seceded he hasn't been counted as a Heir to the imperial throne. That hasn't changed yet: There are but 5 royal Heirs - King Khanid is Lord Councillor to the imperial throne, not a Heir to the imperial throne.

Whether King Khanid wants to compete in the succession trials is for sure his decision, but the decision whether he is eligible to compete rests with the Privy and Theology Councils.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#33 - 2015-08-24 10:59:36 UTC
His Majesty competed once already in the succession trials.

He lost.
Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#34 - 2015-08-24 12:08:43 UTC
Does such a public declaration to one of the Royal Houses mean that you are also declaring yourself loyal to Amarr? The chancellor himself has been reformed by the faith, and it is my estimation, that he would only accept those who profess to the faith of Amarr as one of his champions.

His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-08-24 15:31:32 UTC
I will be waiting to see whether or not the Theology Council makes a formal declaration as to whether the champion an heir picks must be Amarrian - or, furthermore, even an Imperial Loyalist. It would have... interesting consequences were they to make no such declaration.

Very interesting indeed.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2015-08-24 16:49:32 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I will be waiting to see whether or not the Theology Council makes a formal declaration as to whether the champion an heir picks must be Amarrian - or, furthermore, even an Imperial Loyalist. It would have... interesting consequences were they to make no such declaration.

Very interesting indeed.


The last time around it was up to the Heirs themselves to decide whether or not they were willing to be represented by inferior races.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-08-24 16:52:40 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
The last time around it was up to the Heirs themselves to decide whether or not they were willing to be represented by inferior races.

I understand your concern, but if the Heirs are lucky, Amarrians won't be too overrepresented.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2015-08-24 17:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Rodj Blake wrote:
... inferior races.

Sometimes people ask why I won't stay and join the Empire.
Kale Silence
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-08-24 18:50:56 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
His Majesty competed once already in the succession trials.

He lost.


I thought it was his dad that lost but his dad died in a tragically untimely manner, passing the loss to him. Making it technically something he didn't actually lose?
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2015-08-24 19:19:42 UTC
Kale Silence wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
His Majesty competed once already in the succession trials.

He lost.


I thought it was his dad that lost but his dad died in a tragically untimely manner, passing the loss to him. Making it technically something he didn't actually lose?



It is true that my King did not achieve victory in that particular succession trial. It is also true that he did not die at the end of it...which has lead to a few hundred years' worth of political anxiety for a great many people.

My words are, of course, an oversimplification.

However, we have a thread to discuss why King Khanid is the absolute best hope we have. This thread is for those who would offer support for Lord Aritcio Kor-Azor and we should respect their decisions to back him no matter what opinions we have otherwise.



"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

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