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Discussion of Tenerhaddi Dykon's statement?

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Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#1 - 2015-08-23 07:09:01 UTC
The Krusual chief, in comment to the reaction of the general Republic populace to the death of Empress Serum I, declared: "Why should they not rejoice? I am rejoicing as I would rejoice at the death of a rabid slaver hound."

Thoughts? Reactions? Should this be taken as representative of the opinion of the bulk of the Krusual?

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Kairelle
Raven.Syndicate
#2 - 2015-08-23 07:11:23 UTC
Take it however you want I suppose.

Personally...I'm taking it as an idiot that can't see the bigger picture.
Sure most Matari have a reason to be a little happy and I don't even really blame them, but the Drifters are still a threat to everyone.
They've just been focusing on the Amarr more than others it seems.

Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#3 - 2015-08-23 08:00:25 UTC
Not very surprising of a response, but disappointing nonetheless. It seems for those Minmatar within the Tribes, nothing is ever enough. Though I've noticed that Minmatar living outside the Tribes are more often much more worldly in their experiences, and can see the the wider picture. And can begin to grasp the implications of what has happened here.

What happened is sobering. It shows just how vulnerable we are to outside incursion. And yet the Tribals are treating it like the Drifters are here to fight their oppressor on their behalf or something. Tragedy though it might be, I'm going to have a grim laugh when the Drifters turn their weapons on the Republic.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#4 - 2015-08-23 09:04:27 UTC
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
Not very surprising of a response, but disappointing nonetheless. It seems for those Minmatar within the Tribes, nothing is ever enough. Though I've noticed that Minmatar living outside the Tribes are more often much more worldly in their experiences, and can see the the wider picture. And can begin to grasp the implications of what has happened here.


Do you blame them? The Amarr Empire is, to many Matari, a faceless oppressor, a boot on our necks for a thousand years. Can you even comprehend what that does to the soul of a people? Many of our people would rejoice at any setback for the Empire, capsuleer or not.

For some of us, however, the impact of these events is measured not in a dead Empress and a shattered Avatar, in broken symbols of the Empire's power... but in the pain and horror visited upon our friends and crewmembers who have attachments to the Empire.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-08-23 09:20:34 UTC
This is how tribals respect the person who have freed more slaves than anyone else in the cluster.

Disgusting ungrateful swines.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Constantly Outraged Sebiestor
Gutter Press
#6 - 2015-08-23 09:22:09 UTC
Neph wrote:
Thoughts? Reactions? Should this be taken as representative of the opinion of the bulk of the Krusual?


Krusual are tryhard edgemasters. Jealous of Sebiestor ingenuity, they try to be relevant by making controversial statements whenever there's a platform to do so. Chief Dykon'd turn up for the opening of an envelope, if there was a chance someone'd film it and put it on galnet.
Tabris Katz
The Forgotten Children
#7 - 2015-08-23 09:29:33 UTC
From a historical prospective, his remarks are as I would expect. However, I personally find them short sighted and ignorant. Contrary to what the Tribes of the Republic may think, Drifters pose a threat to all nations.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#8 - 2015-08-23 09:35:44 UTC
Tabris Katz wrote:
From a historical prospective, his remarks are as I would expect. However, I personally find them short sighted and ignorant. Contrary to what the Tribes of the Republic may think, Drifters pose a threat to all nations.


Not that I necessarily think you're wrong but: on what basis? Just because they're bigger than you and can beat you up?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-08-23 12:03:44 UTC
Yes. Is any more justification needed? Any entity that shows unrestrained use of overwhelming force without clear provocation or any attempt to negotiate should be considered exceptionally dangerous. Just because a rabid dog is busy mauling that neighbour down the street you don't like right now doesn't make it any less of a danger to you.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-08-23 12:14:37 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Yes. Is any more justification needed? Any entity that shows unrestrained use of overwhelming force without clear provocation or any attempt to negotiate should be considered exceptionally dangerous. Just because a rabid dog is busy mauling that neighbour down the street you don't like right now doesn't make it any less of a danger to you.


And what if the neighbour down the street had been hitting the previously placid dog with a pointy stick. Who then is to blame and how do you know the dog won't go back to it's usual self after defending itself?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#11 - 2015-08-23 13:05:59 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Yes. Is any more justification needed? Any entity that shows unrestrained use of overwhelming force without clear provocation or any attempt to negotiate should be considered exceptionally dangerous. Just because a rabid dog is busy mauling that neighbour down the street you don't like right now doesn't make it any less of a danger to you.


Except you don't know why the dog is mauling your neighbor. Was it provoked? Just because the Imperium can kill you don't mean we will kill you.

So far, everything you say about the Drifters could apply to anyone with more firepower than you have. You have no idea why they've done this, and you're flailing about in a panic.

Acting on incomplete intelligence is acting without intelligence.
Tabris Katz
The Forgotten Children
#12 - 2015-08-23 13:17:46 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Not that I necessarily think you're wrong but: on what basis? Just because they're bigger than you and can beat you up?



The Drifters executed a series of attacks that drew the Empress out into the open, at which point they launched a well organized blitz attack with the aim of killing her. In doing so, they have thrown the Amarr Empire into a relative state of chaos while they struggle to fill the position of Emperor well before expected. Now the five heirs will struggle to really support from the rest of the nation in order to legitimize their claim to the throne. In the mean time, Drifters can operation more freely knowing that the Empire is otherwise distracted. These attacks by the Drifters against the Amarr Empire denotes a well developed strategy and a greater understanding of our social structure then previously believe they possessed.

It is well known that the Amarr Empire is one the most powerful nations in the cluster. When facing a large powerful enemy it is generally ill advised to confront them head on. Such actions are generally costly and only serve to slow down moment meant for later operations. I suspect the Drifters are attempting disrupt organization with in the Empire, thus making them easier to conquer and conserve strength for their next target. If this is true then we are all in danger.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#13 - 2015-08-23 13:27:24 UTC
Neph wrote:
The Krusual chief, in comment to the reaction of the general Republic populace to the death of Empress Serum I, declared: "Why should they not rejoice? I am rejoicing as I would rejoice at the death of a rabid slaver hound."

Thoughts? Reactions? Should this be taken as representative of the opinion of the bulk of the Krusual?


I will write my reply in the blood of Minmatar slaves.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#14 - 2015-08-23 14:03:53 UTC
Tabris Katz wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Not that I necessarily think you're wrong but: on what basis? Just because they're bigger than you and can beat you up?


The Drifters executed a series of attacks that drew the Empress out into the open


No, the Drifters executed a series of attacks that struck at things that may have been directly Drifter-related.

The previous attacks as Safizon were, after all, undertaken after the intercepted transmissions of the SoCT scans were sent to Safizon for analysis. The Drifters may have, in fact, been after that analysis - either for their own purposes, or to keep it from the Amarr Navy. This is not 'drawing the Empress out into the open'.

Nor can the Drifters be said to have been what 'drew' her to an event she controlled - the commissioning of the TES Auctoritas. Her new flagship. Her intention. All she had to do was arrive in a baseliner-piloted ship without broadcasting her own ident code, dock, and undock in the Auctoritas. If the ship possesses entosis shielding the way many suspect, it's likely the Drifters' Lux barrage would have been fruitless.

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In the mean time, Drifters can operation more freely knowing that the Empire is otherwise distracted. These attacks by the Drifters against the Amarr Empire denotes a well developed strategy and a greater understanding of our social structure then previously believe they possessed.


Because the Amarr Navy was doing such a fine job of interfering with Drifter operations before, yes?

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It is well known that the Amarr Empire is one the most powerful nations in the cluster. When facing a large powerful enemy it is generally ill advised to confront them head on.


Which the Drifters have consistently done. And obliterated the baseliner Navy ships.

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I suspect the Drifters are attempting disrupt organization with in the Empire, thus making them easier to conquer and conserve strength for their next target. If this is true then we are all in danger.


Headshots are never a successful strategy for conquest. You galvanize the populace and rally your enemy's allies to their cause - often inspiring new allies to lend aid as well. Degrading confidence and nationalism through targeted low-grade strikes, combined with propaganda campaigns highlighting the inability of Authority to protect the people demoralizes the populace, reduces combat performance among the military, and provides the greatest operational opportunities for successful conquest. As conditions deteriorate, central authority will feel pressured to take more and more extreme actions in order to stem the flow of blood. Inevitably, this will include curtailing the rights and privileges of the citizenry in order to reduce the chances of another successful asymmetric strike.

Do it long enough, and well enough, and the populace will help you free them from what they have come to view as ineffective and oppressive leadership.
Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-08-23 14:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jili Tonari
Yo, keep in mind, he's not just venturing a personal opinion. He's talking about the almost non-stop party that's been goin on all over the Republic.

I said before, we see the threat of these Drifters. We know which way the wind blows.

But c'mon, just take a look at the IGS posts this last week. If we could figure out the Drifters were gonna try and throw a boot party, I'm pretty sure the Empress knew. She died for her own stupidity and hubris.

These Amarr, they're all so f*ucking smug and superior. So holier than thou. So sure in their power and entitlement. That attitude killed her just as much as the Drifters did. The Amarr were already holding the gun to their heads. The Drifters just pulled the trigger.

So damn skippy we gonna party!

There is zero reason we should feel anything but glee. Quit it with that beta feeling sorry for them crap. Any Matari worth her ink would have greased that slaver b*tch and would have been handed a medal for it.

So like, the Drifters. Yeah, it goes without saying that while most of us are reveling in the situation, but there are some of us keeping a careful watch. They just did us a solid, but they not our friends and probably bigger bullies than the Amarr.

But they're not a threat to us until they are. So until then?

Party! And wait for the Amarr hubris to strike again. I hear they're going to put all their heirs in one place to fight for the crown. And they're gonna publicly announce where and when.

Popcorn anyone?

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#16 - 2015-08-23 15:56:12 UTC
Neph wrote:
The Krusual chief, in comment to the reaction of the general Republic populace to the death of Empress Serum I, declared: "Why should they not rejoice? I am rejoicing as I would rejoice at the death of a rabid slaver hound."

Thoughts? Reactions? Should this be taken as representative of the opinion of the bulk of the Krusual?

One wonders, how many of the millions she emancipated, rejoice?

I heard a Ni Kunni once remark that, “it is impolite to curse the man who dug the well from which you drink.”

Matar Ronin
#17 - 2015-08-23 16:56:09 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Neph wrote:
The Krusual chief, in comment to the reaction of the general Republic populace to the death of Empress Serum I, declared: "Why should they not rejoice? I am rejoicing as I would rejoice at the death of a rabid slaver hound."

Thoughts? Reactions? Should this be taken as representative of the opinion of the bulk of the Krusual?

One wonders, how many of the millions she emancipated, rejoice?

I heard a Ni Kunni once remark that, “it is impolite to curse the man who dug the well from which you drink.”

It is not impolite to curse the system that forced your grandmother under pain of lash and chemical addiction to dig the well from which they continue to drink.

The catch is learning that it is the system that is evil and not merely the man holding the lash.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2015-08-23 17:16:41 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
The catch is learning that it is the system that is evil and not merely the man holding the lash.

The more difficult lesson may be that the man holding the lash may even be a thoughtful and compassionate person.

I don't like the system very much (and not just the slavery, though that's a big part of it).

The people within it, though....
Matar Ronin
#19 - 2015-08-23 17:39:31 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
The catch is learning that it is the system that is evil and not merely the man holding the lash.

The more difficult lesson may be that the man holding the lash may even be a thoughtful and compassionate person.

I don't like the system very much (and not just the slavery, though that's a big part of it).

The people within it, though....
In this case we are saying the same thing, the holder is a victim also. Taught from childhood he was doing God's will when inflicting evil upon helpless captives. He too must be emancipated from the horror of the demonic slavery cult. He was not born evil only born into an evil system. I fight to free him as well. So that his future generations of descendants will not be born into service to an evil false demonic cult.

We must unite around our common humanity, that I firmly believe is the One True God's will.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#20 - 2015-08-24 19:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
Diana Kim wrote:
This is how tribals respect the person who have freed more slaves than anyone else in the cluster.

Disgusting ungrateful swines.


I remember the person of Jamyl Sarum with great respect, even if hundreds of thousands of my nation met their end by her personal hand. However, my sentiments echo Chief Dykon's in regard to the death of one who held the position of Ammarian Empress. Ding dong, the witch is dead!

The late Empress obviously had no heart to end the institution of slavery. It's no wonder that Matari do not mourn her as a great abolitionist and ally to their cause--frankly, she wasn't, and she made no effort to appear as one. Her methods and our objectives just happened to align. However, no matter what her motivation was for doing so, she freed millions and I, personally, hold her memory in a debt of endless gratitude for doing so.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

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