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Questions about capitals

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octo Auscent
Illusioned Pariahdom
#1 - 2015-08-23 00:42:37 UTC
Hello i just came back from about a 6 month break sort of took my break when they started to nerf the capital jump drives....mind you i still cant pilot one but i was working towards training to sit in one...so 2 questions first off is it worth it still to sit in one? are they used for anything anymore? and part 2 is i was also working towards jump freighter on an alt are those nerf batted to the ground / worth it as well? thanks for your feed back!
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#2 - 2015-08-23 00:49:25 UTC
Jump Freighters: Yes. Very much alive and kicking.
Capitals: Probably, they have their uses still.
Supers: Kill Them All.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2015-08-23 01:05:03 UTC
JF is definitely worth it if you have the need.

Capitals in general are seeing more use in some ways since the Phoebe changes, but CCP have realised they need some love. CCP Seagull announced at Fanfeat this year that Capitals would be rebalanced before the end of the year and in the last few weeks the first hints that this work is currently underway appeared.

So expect some changes to Capitals soon I guess. Carriers are definitely worth training into. Dreads if you have POCOs or towers to shoot, but hopefully the roles of all of them receive some needed changes within the next few releases.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#4 - 2015-08-23 01:32:25 UTC
Since your alliance seems to be active in worm holes; yes they are worth it.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
octo Auscent
Illusioned Pariahdom
#5 - 2015-08-23 09:06:38 UTC
last question ..and thank you for your feedback :) what about rorquals?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6 - 2015-08-23 09:11:40 UTC
octo Auscent wrote:
what about rorquals?

Do you mine with like 5 or more characters in not-highsec and have a tower available?

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octo Auscent
Illusioned Pariahdom
#7 - 2015-08-23 09:48:43 UTC
ah good point no :(
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#8 - 2015-08-23 10:32:16 UTC
Capitals are useless and if you think CCP's going to make them fun again you're ******* delusional.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#9 - 2015-08-23 11:37:49 UTC
Oh, but apparently the rorqural's Drone bonus is critical, so perhaps if you use drones it will be good for you

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#10 - 2015-08-23 12:20:09 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Capitals are useless and if you think CCP's going to make them fun again you're ******* delusional.


hmph, any ship is only useless when one refuses to explore for doctrine not utilized by the general public.
Ima GoodGirl
Aria Shi's Wasted ISK
#11 - 2015-08-23 12:22:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima GoodGirl
Max Deveron wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Capitals are useless and if you think CCP's going to make them fun again you're ******* delusional.


hmph, any ship is only useless when one refuses to explore for doctrine not utilized by the general public.

What?

Give us an example of a not utilised Capital fit that one (in this case you) have used that makes the ship effective.

Your killboard shows not even the slightest use of Capital ships, which inclines one to conclude you're full of crap.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#12 - 2015-08-23 12:27:27 UTC
Ima GoodGirl wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Capitals are useless and if you think CCP's going to make them fun again you're ******* delusional.


hmph, any ship is only useless when one refuses to explore for doctrine not utilized by the general public.

What?

Give us an example of a not utilised Capital fit that one (in this case you) have used that makes the ship effective.

Your killboard shows not even the slightest use of Capital ships, which inclines one to assume for full of crap.


Who said anything about fit? I said Doctrine, which implies a planned out strategic and tactical use for a Capital,
1.) as a Solo ship
2.) as Fleet ship
3.) as a smaller gang support craft

and that doctrine has to cover all 3 of those bases, now the fits to make such a doctrine....well use your imagination, Im sure actual FC's will understand the un-named point Im making here as well the type of work of creating such doctrines.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#13 - 2015-08-23 12:32:46 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Capitals are useless and if you think CCP's going to make them fun again you're ******* delusional.

hmph, any ship is only useless when one refuses to explore for doctrine not utilized by the general public.

Let's just give up on the next part half of that

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Ima GoodGirl
Aria Shi's Wasted ISK
#14 - 2015-08-23 13:01:10 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Ima GoodGirl wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Capitals are useless and if you think CCP's going to make them fun again you're ******* delusional.


hmph, any ship is only useless when one refuses to explore for doctrine not utilized by the general public.

What?

Give us an example of a not utilised Capital fit that one (in this case you) have used that makes the ship effective.

Your killboard shows not even the slightest use of Capital ships, which inclines one to assume for full of crap.


Who said anything about fit? I said Doctrine, which implies a planned out strategic and tactical use for a Capital,
1.) as a Solo ship
2.) as Fleet ship
3.) as a smaller gang support craft

and that doctrine has to cover all 3 of those bases, now the fits to make such a doctrine....well use your imagination, Im sure actual FC's will understand the un-named point Im making here as well the type of work of creating such doctrines.

TL;DR: No experience or real knowledge just breakfast cereal packet motivating statements. Nothing of substance.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#15 - 2015-08-23 13:08:08 UTC
Ima GoodGirl wrote:
TL;DR: No experience or real knowledge just breakfast cereal packet motivating statements. Nothing of substance.
I have seen fleet buffer fits used in small to mid sized gangs while being flown as though they are solo. Experience does not really, necessarily mean that someone will be right.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#16 - 2015-08-23 13:17:56 UTC
Ima GoodGirl wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
Ima GoodGirl wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Capitals are useless and if you think CCP's going to make them fun again you're ******* delusional.


hmph, any ship is only useless when one refuses to explore for doctrine not utilized by the general public.

What?

Give us an example of a not utilised Capital fit that one (in this case you) have used that makes the ship effective.

Your killboard shows not even the slightest use of Capital ships, which inclines one to assume for full of crap.


Who said anything about fit? I said Doctrine, which implies a planned out strategic and tactical use for a Capital,
1.) as a Solo ship
2.) as Fleet ship
3.) as a smaller gang support craft

and that doctrine has to cover all 3 of those bases, now the fits to make such a doctrine....well use your imagination, Im sure actual FC's will understand the un-named point Im making here as well the type of work of creating such doctrines.

TL;DR: No experience or real knowledge just breakfast cereal packet motivating statements. Nothing of substance.



Ok so lets talk in plain english here, just you and me......

A d-o-c-t-r-i-n-e is a p-l-a-n of intended action/use, and all my original comment though a bit snarky is properly interpreted as: QUIT using the same fit/fleet doctrines every body has been using for the past 3 years and create a new one, think of how/why someone might not be a using a possible doctrine....and exploit it.

As to your other comment....sorry im not going to think for you, and if you think this is my oldest or only character, well you already put your foot in your mouth. otherwise post with your main and i will post wtih mine. That or think out of the box instead of acting like a line member grunt sheep waiting for its next shearing.